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He hasn't really been given much of a chance to succeed though. In the 13 games he's played, he's played less than 10 minutes 11 times. He's had few games where he's played less than 5 minutes a game. That's Orr-like icetime.

It would be like calling up Kadri, playing him 8 minutes a game on the 4th line, then asking why he isn't producing. And Filatov wouldn't be the first 19 year old to be lost in his own end.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Why can't Schenn get much playing time in Toronto, if he's that good?
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The situations don't compare.

Schenn got plenty of playing time last year, because he was very good. This year he hasn't been as good, ergo he plays less.

Filatov on the other hand can't really seem to get any time on Columbus at all.
 
Its not the lack of success. Its the running home with his tail between his legs to avoid the hard work he was expected to do here.

**** guys like that. He's no Datsyuk.

It would be like if Schenn said,"this is too hard i think I want to go back home and play in the WHL, peace."
 
What I like about Filatov is that he put up very good numbers for an 18 year old in the AHL last year -- 16 gls, 32 pts in 39 gms. Filatov is a kid and the AHL is a tough league filled with grown men.

He has the skill level to be a top level producer in the NHL. With the right icetime and linemates, he will be a 1st line calibur player imo.

And it's not like Columbus has handled their first round picks particularly well over the years.
 
To go back and instantly start lighting up the KHL like that is really, really impressive.
 
Volcanologist said:
The situations don't compare.

Schenn got plenty of playing time last year, because he was very good. This year he hasn't been as good, ergo he plays less.

Filatov on the other hand can't really seem to get any time on Columbus at all.
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Both players are playing marginal roles for their teams (at least Filatov was)

With 19-20 year old players, I don't think that's an indictment on either players skill level or potential.
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
He hasn't really been given much of a chance to succeed though. In the 13 games he's played, he's played less than 10 minutes 11 times. He's had few games where he's played less than 5 minutes a game. That's Orr-like icetime.

It would be like calling up Kadri, playing him 8 minutes a game on the 4th line, then asking why he isn't producing. And Filatov wouldn't be the first 19 year old to be lost in his own end.
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No doubt he hasnt been given a chance in CLB. But its not worth to trade for a question mark, which is what he is.

The leafs have virtually no leeway to send him down to the farm for development or play him less because there is a chance he will leave. Its not a chance the leafs of all teams can afford to take.
 
Volcanologist said:
Let's try this again.

Why would the Jackets entertain the idea of trading Filatov, then?
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Because a lot of GM's are human beings just like the rest of us and get frustrated with players when they don't go along with what "we" would want them to.

They obviously want him to sit nice and quiet like a good boy and play the role they've relegated him to on the far back end of their NHL squad. Not being willing to be dictated to like that may be reason enough for CBJ to trade him if they get a decent offer.

For example..Chiarelli traded Kessel more or less because Kessel thought he was worth more money than Krecji and Chia had pegged them both as equal.

FWIW, I don't think that it would cost us Schenn to land Filatov. Schenn built up a pretty big reputation last year, and I don't think for a second that 20 up and down games as a sophomore has effected it too much.
 
ForeverTML said:
No doubt he hasnt been given a chance in CLB. But its not worth to trade for a question mark, which is what he is.
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Schenn is a question mark. He's not a finished product.

ForeverTML said:
The leafs have virtually no leeway to send him down to the farm for development or play him less because there is a chance he will leave. Its not a chance the leafs of all teams can afford to take.
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Filatov had no problems playing in the AHL last season. He played great down there.

I think he had a problem with playing 8 minutes a game, when at his age and development, he should be playing big minutes whether it's in the NHL, AHL or KHL.

If he was playing something like 13-15 minutes a game and he decided to run to Europe, I would look at the situation a little differently. But he was basically sitting on the bench all season. He needs to play.
 
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PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Schenn is a question mark. He's not a finished product.
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Schenn has actually show in the NHL that he is not a question mark.

Filatov his not. And Filatov's question mark not only concerns the way he plays, but what will happen if he doesnt play well.

Filatov had no problems playing in the AHL last season. He played great down there.

I think he had a problem with playing 8 minutes a game, when at his age and development, he should be playing big minutes whether it's in the NHL, AHL or KHL.

If he was playing something like 13-15 minutes a game and he decided to run to Europe, I would look at the situation a little differently. But he was basically sitting on the bench all season. He needs to play.
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He needs to deserve those minutes. No coach is going to magically give it to him. Schenn played well enough last year to deserve time, this year its the opposite.

Again, the only difference between Schenn and Filatov this year, is you have flexibility in terms of ice time/sending him down with Schenn while you dont have that with Filatov.

No reason for the leafs to take a chance like that.
 
It really comes down to this for me.

I see Schenn's high end upside as a #2/#3 defender on a good team.

I see Filatov's high end upside as a 1st line forward on a good team.

And I'd take the first line forward over the #2/#3 defensive defender every time.

There may be higher risks with Filatov, but the potential is also much higher.
 
Well, I think you'd be singing a different tune if Schenn had started this year the same way he played last year.

Glad you ackowledge the risk however. If the leafs were the Hawks, Id be all over getting Filatov. We're not in a position to take risks of this magnitude.
 
ForeverTML said:
Well, I think you'd be singing a different tune if Schenn had started this year the same way he played last year.

Glad you ackowledge the risk however. If the leafs were the Hawks, Id be all over getting Filatov. We're not in a position to take risks of this magnitude.
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I wanted Filatov over Schenn at the draft.
 
I watched the draft, and they mentioned that Columbus was going to pick Schenn, hence the reason we moved up to get him.

*edit, I meant Columbus wanted Schenn not Filatov which makes sense after what they went through with Zherdev.
 
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