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Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15

I'll see if I can find the post on HF boards (I know). It had the advanced stats since the half way mark, or Jan 1st.
 
Karlsson: 78gms, 20gls, 64pts (82gms, 21gls, 67pts)

First player to get 300 points in his first 400 games since Serge Zubov in 1998. I'd love to see those numbers adjusted for league wide scoring.

Karlsson could easily go down as the most lethal offensive defenseman of our generation.
 
corksens said:
I'll see if I can find the post on HF boards (I know). It had the advanced stats since the half way mark, or Jan 1st.
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LeafOfFaith said:
What I don't get is how a guy like him gets overlooked as a top 3 pick.
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European prospects are still a little mystical to NHL scouts. They don't really follow the development model from 16-18 that NHL clubs are used to tracking. He was PPG in J-20 in his pre draft season...is that good? Who the **** knows with the uneven track records some Euro's who go on to be good NHL'ers have from that age period.

European prospects are still the only real "market inefficiency" when it comes to drafting imo, you're still seeing quality players pulled out of weird spots in the draft more often than you're seeing north americans, who almost as a rule go in rounds 1-3 if they're going to do anything at all in the show.
 
MindzEye said:
European prospects are still a little mystical to NHL scouts. They don't really follow the development model from 16-18 that NHL clubs are used to tracking. He was PPG in J-20 in his pre draft season...is that good? Who the **** knows with the uneven track records some Euro's who go on to be good NHL'ers have from that age period.

European prospects are still the only real "market inefficiency" when it comes to drafting imo, you're still seeing quality players pulled out of weird spots in the draft more often than you're seeing north americans, who almost as a rule go in rounds 1-3 if they're going to do anything at all in the show.
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I think defensemen as a whole are just really freaking hard to predict at such a young age. If you look at defensemen scoring leaders, you have to get all the way down to Pietrangelo and OEL who are sitting 17th and 18th before you find anyone picked higher than Karlsson at 15. I don't if this year is weirder than normal, none of the top guys were high picks. Josi, Subban, Weber are all 2nd round+, and there's even a few guys like Wideman, Giordano, Markov, and Streit who are all really low round or undrafted guys.

It's not to say the guys picked high suck, since I think we'd all agree that we'd love to have Pietrangelo, OEL, Doughty, Hamilton, or Hedman, but it definitely feels like most of the top defensemen almost seem to come out of nowhere.
 
Because you're not the epic **** that Sensible is, I'll do it for you because it's not hard or time consuming.

Since Jan 1

5 on 5

CF% - 51.5% (14th)
On Ice SH% - 8.9% (5th)
On Ice SV% - .928 (7th)
PDO - 101.6 (3rd)


"The Run" (Since Feb 17th)

CF% - 50.6%(18th)
On Ice SH% - 8.4% (9th)
On Ice SV% - .939 (6th)
PDO - 102.3 (3rd)

another telling number is the all situation SV% since February 17th - .932

if that was Craig Anderson doing it, maybe it's kind of sustainable. He's had fairly extended periods of play with that kind of play in between groin pulls and chicken cook offs, but it coming from a career minor leaguer? JS Aubin says hello.

The bottom line here is that there is nothing in the possession numbers that suggest Ottawa has played like an elite team in the second half of the season, or even in this ridiculous ~20 game stretch which really constitutes their strong stretch of results this season.

Enjoy it while it lasts mate, there's no sustainable, underlying reason for it.


Mediocre possession club buoyed by a spike in SH% & SV%.

If it was Anderson who went on an insane run instead of a career minor leaguer, I'd put a bit more stock in it being sustainable over a longer period of time
 
MindzEye said:
Because you're not the epic **** that Sensible is, I'll do it for you because it's not hard or time consuming.

Since Jan 1

5 on 5

CF% - 51.5% (14th)
On Ice SH% - 8.9% (5th)
On Ice SV% - .928 (7th)
PDO - 101.6 (3rd)


"The Run" (Since Feb 17th)

CF% - 50.6%(18th)
On Ice SH% - 8.4% (9th)
On Ice SV% - .939 (6th)
PDO - 102.3 (3rd)
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Thanks for posting the stats, even when cherry picking you make my case for me.

Since Jan 1 team is 14th in CF, but since the streak they are only 18th. Their CF for the time period from Jan 1 to Feb 17th is 52.7. IE they were playing as the 8th best team from Jan 1st to the start of the streak...you know, "playing well even before Hammond arrived". Which, not so coincidentally, is EXACTLY what was claimed.
 
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SENSible said:
Thanks for posting the stats, even when cherry picking you make my case for me.

Since Jan 1 team is 14th in CF, but since the streak they are only 18th. Their CF for the time period from Jan 1 to Feb 17th is 52.7. IE they were playing as the 8th best team from Jan 1st to the start of the streak...you know, "playing well even before Hammond arrived". Which, not so coincidentally, is EXACTLY what was claimed.
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Except by your own admission here, they haven't played well since Hammond arrived. I mean, logically you can't make the argument that they were playing well from Jan 1 - Feb 17th based on CF%, and then claim that they've played well from Feb 18 to today, based on the club's CF%.

If you want to go down the road you just plowed, then the Sens actual run looks even more luck based now, no?
 
What a snoozer of a game on Sunday. That shootout was particularly boring.

All that to say, the Sens got 4 out of a possible 6 points in the 3 games vs. their rivals who only had pride to play for. Certainly no dagger.
 
corksens said:
What a snoozer of a game on Sunday. That shootout was particularly boring.

All that to say, the Sens got 4 out of a possible 6 points in the 3 games vs. their rivals who only had pride to play for. Certainly no dagger.
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See if you're singing the same tune when they miss the playoffs by a point or two...
 
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