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Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15

MindzEye said:
In the shortened season, we looked like this:

JVR (23) - Bozak (25) - Kessel (25)
Kulemin (26) - Kadri (22) - Lupul (29)
MacA (27) - Grabo (29) - Komarov (26)

Phaneuf (27) - Gunner (26)
Gardiner (22) - Franson (25)

Riemer (24)

As our top 9 & 4
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Man, that was a promising, young ****ing team.

How did it go off the rails so badly?
 
MindzEye said:
In the shortened season, we looked like this:

JVR (23) - Bozak (25) - Kessel (25)
Kulemin (26) - Kadri (22) - Lupul (29)
MacA (27) - Grabo (29) - Komarov (26)

Phaneuf (27) - Gunner (26)
Gardiner (22) - Franson (25)

Riemer (24)

As our top 9 & 4

Currently you look like this

MacA (29) - Turris (25) - Stone (22)
Hoffman (25) - ZBad (21) - Ryan (27)
Michalek (30) - Pageau (22) - Condra (28)

Karlsson (24) - Methot (29)
Phillips (old) - Ceci (21)

Anderson (33)

You have Stone breaking out as a 22 yr old, we had JVR breaking out as a 23 yr old. You have Karlsson as a 24 yr old star, carrying the load, we had a 25 yr old Kessel scoring at a 89 point pace. You had a young 1-2 centreman grouping with strong showings, we had Kadri putting up near PPG numbers and Bozak looking like a useful, young top 6 centre going forward. You have Ceci playing top 4 minutes, we had Gardiner doing the same, less than a year older than Ceci is now

The Leafs didn't have enough high end talent to break through and become a consistent threat (and we've had some nearly worst case scenarios occur with the development of Kadri, Gardiner, & Bozak since then) and you've admitted that the Sens have a similar problem, they lack a few key, high end players in core roles to push them forward to contender status.

Where you are now, and where the Leafs were a few seasons ago, are damn similar territory as an organization.
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Firstly, you don't have arguably the best defenseman in the world. You had a one dimensional scoring forward. Please don't waste all of our time comparing apples to oranges.

But, of course, the biggest point I can make against your cute little analogy is that our team is far from complete. There is room and money for additional talent. The Leafs, on the other hand, were just about capped out.,

So sure, in some small way, you could make your point. But that would be ignoring that this team is still a work in progress. Oh, and of course, that Leafs core has exposed themselves as a group of heartless twats.

Edit: I guess Lazar has passed away, too. RIP Lazar. Lehner too.

Why the hell even include Phillips in there? The man hasn't played in two months. Weircioch has played in his place. He's 24.
 
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You have Stone breaking out as a 22 yr old, we had JVR breaking out as a 23 yr old.
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Let's also not do this, please.

Mark Stone has equalled JVR's career high in his first NHL season. All while being younger, better defensively and not on a line with Phil Kessel.
 
corksens said:
Firstly, you don't have arguably the best defenseman in the world. You had a one dimensional scoring forward. Please don't waste all of our time comparing apples to oranges.
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Both game changing studs. Apples to apples. You might prefer the taste of your apple, and that's fine, but both absolutely apples.

But, of course, the biggest point I can make against your cute little analogy is that our team is far from complete. There is room and money for additional talent. The Leafs, on the other hand, were just about capped out.
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I'll believe that they money is available for that, when it's on your roster.

So sure, in some small way, you could make your point. But that would be ignoring that this team is still a work in progress. Oh, and of course, that Leafs core has exposed themselves as a group of heartless twats.
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The Leafs have exposed themselves since then...But in the run up to the 2013 playoffs, they shared a lot of similarities with your group. Lets see your group actually be in a position to choke horrifically before we start dismissing that as a possibility. I mean, going on a heroic run to claim a playoff spot and then losing points to a bottom feeder, twice within a few weeks, ultimately costing them said playoff spot would be a very, very "Leaf" thing to do.
 
corksens said:
Let's also not do this, please.

Mark Stone has equalled JVR's career high in his first NHL season. All while being younger, better defensively and not on a line with Phil Kessel.
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You asked for similarities....I gave you similarities. You can argue who is slightly better or worse all day long, but having talented wingers break out at nearly the same age is a similarity.
 
Both game changing studs. Apples to apples. You might prefer the taste of your apple, and that's fine, but both absolutely apples.
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If you are going to try and argue that Phil Kessel is as impactful as Erik Karlsson then this conversation is over.
 
In the shortened season, we looked like this:

JVR (23) - Bozak (25) - Kessel (25)
Kulemin (26) - Kadri (22) - Lupul (29)
MacA (27) - Grabo (29) - Komarov (26)

Phaneuf (27) - Gunner (26)
Gardiner (22) - Franson (25)

Riemer (24)

As our top 9 & 4

Currently you look like this

MacA (29) - Turris (25) - Stone (22)
Hoffman (25) - ZBad (21) - Ryan (27)
Michalek (30) - Pageau (22) - Condra (28)
Lazar
Karlsson (24) - Methot (29)
Phillips (old) - Ceci (21)

Anderson (33)
Lehner
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That Sens team> that Leafs team.

Similar which makes the point correct. There is no saying that they go the way we did. The fact of the matter is our team went straight into a dumpster fire. Ottawa fans can feel good about their teams prospects right now where as i can not. This could change quickly though thats the beauty of sport. We have the pieces to make a quick turnaround. I've said it before but we should be adding to our core where available without giving up futures. Where our organization needs to be improved is at the draft table. Trading for futures and picks won't help if we can't make good of those picks.

Off topic - Ottawa should be all over a guy like Andrej Sekera in the offseason.
 
MindzEye said:
You asked for similarities....I gave you similarities. You can argue who is slightly better or worse all day long, but having talented wingers break out at nearly the same age is a similarity.
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Fair enough. I guess both teams were wearing skates too, so there are some similarities.
 
Volcanologist said:
Neither do you.
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Yea. We do.

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And potentially on the door step of another.

http://www.tsn.ca/end-of-season-honours-and-mcdavid-1.249213

3. Who are your top three for the Norris Trophy as the NHL’s top defenceman?

This question was nothing more than a desperate cry for help. From me.

I don’t recall the Norris race being more muddled than it is this year. If Calgary’s Mark Giordano hadn’t been injured, he looked like he was ready to lope to the finish line as an easy Norris winner, but when his season ended after 61 games, it left it wide open.

You can make a strong Norris case for any of a half dozen defencemen though you could just as easily poke holes in their nomination. It’s been that kind of year, typified perhaps by the coaches’ No. 1 choice – Ottawa’s Erik Karlsson.

The Senators’ captain struggled mightily through much of the NHL’s first quarter but, like his team, Karlsson has surged to be a dominant if still inconsistent shooting star who leads all blueliners in scoring.

Nevertheless, Karlsson received eight first-place votes, twice as many as Los Angeles King Doughty (4) and four times as many as the only other two blueliners – teammates Shea Weber and Roman Josi, two apiece – to get multiple first-place votes.
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Kessel isn't really comparable to Karlsson. Maybe in skill level, but not in overall impact on the game.

Ottawa is the better organization, but its not because of mid level prospects like Stone and Lazar. Its because Karlsson is one of the best, most impactful players in the game. When you have a player like that, that can play half the game, you always have a chance.
 
The numbers he is putting up as a 22 year old 6th rounder are ridiculous. He is not a mid level prospect as some here would say. He is a legit top 6 forward. I can't predict the future like some on this board can so i won't say if he can sustain or get better but he's been a big reason the Sens are where they are.

He's had a better season this year than JVR has had ever in the NHL.
 
MindzEye said:
In the shortened season, we looked like this:

JVR (23) - Bozak (25) - Kessel (25)
Kulemin (26) - Kadri (22) - Lupul (29)
MacA (27) - Grabo (29) - Komarov (26)

Phaneuf (27) - Gunner (26)
Gardiner (22) - Franson (25)

Riemer (24)

As our top 9 & 4

Currently you look like this

MacA (29) - Turris (25) - Stone (22)
Hoffman (25) - ZBad (21) - Ryan (27)
Michalek (30) - Pageau (22) - Condra (28)

Karlsson (24) - Methot (29)
Phillips (old) - Ceci (21)

Anderson (33)

You have Stone breaking out as a 22 yr old, we had JVR breaking out as a 23 yr old. You have Karlsson as a 24 yr old star, carrying the load, we had a 25 yr old Kessel scoring at a 89 point pace. You had a young 1-2 centreman grouping with strong showings, we had Kadri putting up near PPG numbers and Bozak looking like a useful, young top 6 centre going forward. You have Ceci playing top 4 minutes, we had Gardiner doing the same, less than a year older than Ceci is now

The Leafs didn't have enough high end talent to break through and become a consistent threat (and we've had some nearly worst case scenarios occur with the development of Kadri, Gardiner, & Bozak since then) and you've admitted that the Sens have a similar problem, they lack a few key, high end players in core roles to push them forward to contender status.

Where you are now, and where the Leafs were a few seasons ago, are damn similar territory as an organization.
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Pure comedy gold.

Philips in the line up. Lazar goes missing

Zbad/Turris compared to Bozak/Kadri

Hoffman and his 27 goals ignored.

Too freaking funny
 
MindzEye said:
I very clearly stated the terms of my argument from the onset. That you and your perpetual head injury tried to spin that out in a bunch of ways I had never intended it, clinging to small data points in a broader argument is none of my concern.
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You really are precious.

You claimed the Sens run isn't sustainable. We AGREED, but pointed out that the team was playing better before the streak even began and have been winning even when the goaltending was average during the streak. You unintentionally provided the evidence to support our position.

You then got your panties in a knot and started building s strawman where any Sens poster said the streak was indicative of the projections going forward.

You just can't wrap your biased head around the Sens progress and want to cling to the "garbage" bin you had them in earlier in the season.

Sorry, but it's not going to play.
 
SENSible said:
Playing the Habs and getting the first round bye would be a dream come true.
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And you guys wonder why everyone makes the "banner" comments. Your dream is just beating the Habs.

Will they have room for another 1st round banner, or will they have to get rid of some of those banners from that other team from 100 years ago?
 
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