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Les Habitants Prospects Thread

Guibs said:
looks like sherbak already sign his contract. Management feels confident in him I guest even if he wasn't apparently their first choice.
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What do you mean by that? Everything I read so far had him being their targeted player all along.
 
GrandWazoo said:
What do you mean by that? Everything I read so far had him being their targeted player all along.
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Well on draft day or the day after, I read that the Habs had someone else they were hoping to draft at their post but he was taken so they went with Sherbak instead. Damn can't remember who it was. Anyway, it was just some journalist saying it, it might not be true.
 
My understanding was that they would have traded down if Sherby wasn't there.

I can't wait for him to make the show -- he and PK on the same team will be a riot.
 
Guibs said:
Well on draft day or the day after, I read that the Habs had someone else they were hoping to draft at their post but he was taken so they went with Sherbak instead. Damn can't remember who it was. Anyway, it was just some journalist saying it, it might not be true.
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Hum, I read they were trying to trade up for Sherbak but were please to see it was still there for them anyway.
 
Guibs said:
Well on draft day or the day after, I read that the Habs had someone else they were hoping to draft at their post but he was taken so they went with Sherbak instead. Damn can't remember who it was. Anyway, it was just some journalist saying it, it might not be true.
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Reinhart was picked pretty early though... always good to have a backup plan ... :p
 
hockeylover said:
Every player the Leafs have taken out of the OHL in the past three drafts has gone on to have a post-draft year with a higher PPG than McCarron - defensemen, OHL rookies/imports, 6th rounders, all of them.

And all but one 6th rounder had higher PPG than 21 points in 32 games, if you want to split his season like that. And these are the Leafs picking, not exactly setting the bar very high.

McCarron's numbers this year weren't just bad "for a first rounder". They were bad period.
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It's okay. we also have a lot of prospects who put up better PPG junior numbers than McCarron. They are: Hudon, Vall, Bozon, Crisp, Gregoire, Reway, Andrighetto, Archambault etc...

Like the Leafs, we don't have problems drafting offensive prospects. That's why scoring in juniors doesn't impress me all that much.
 
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habsss said:
It's okay. we also have a lot of prospects who put up better PPG junior numbers than McCarron. They are: Hudon, Vall, Bozon, Crisp, Gregoire, Reway, Andrighetto, Archambault etc...

Like the Leafs, we don't have problems drafting offensive prospects. That's why scoring in juniors doesn't impress me all that much.
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Yeah... I feel like you totally missed the point here.

Anyways, I've been asked to drop it several times so that's what I plan on doing. You'll see eventually, I'm sure.
 
The healthiest way to look at McCarron is this.... enforcers who can play a bit of hockey are not easy to find. Moen and Prust are not big and have nagging injuries , somebody has to replace them as the designated fighter. I assume this part of hockey will not be phased out of the game soon.

McCarron can have a role in this league if he maintains top physical condition, works hard on his skating and is willing to drop the gloves when needed. A lot of late first rounders do not amount to much anyway. I really do not have a problem using a late first rounder the odd time on a player like this. Now many may say why not wait past the first round to draft a player who potentially fits this mold. The simple answer to that is McCarron's size. His size is freakish for someone who has supposedly not even matured yet. If you can get someone that big to keep up with the tempo of the game and not be a liability on the ice, its worth the shot.
 
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wiseguy1 said:
The healthiest way to look at McCarron is this.... enforcers who can play a bit of hockey are not easy to find. Moen and Prust are not big and have nagging injuries , somebody has to replace them as the designated fighter. I assume this part of hockey will not be phased out of the game soon.

McCarron can have a role in this league if he maintains top physical condition, works hard on his skating and is willing to drop the gloves when needed. A lot of late first rounders do not amount to much anyway. I really do not have a problem using a late first rounder the odd time on a player like this. Now many may say why not wait past the first round to draft a player who potentially fits this mold. The simple answer to that is McCarron's size. His size is freakish for someone who has supposedly not even matured yet. If you can get someone that big to keep up with the tempo of the game and not be a liability on the ice, its worth the shot.
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And almost all of these "enforcers who can play a bit of hockey" are dominant players in junior, not just third/fourth liners.
 
worm said:
Basically what we have to hope for at this point. Moen or Prust.
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BKerr said:
And almost all of these "enforcers who can play a bit of hockey" are dominant players in junior, not just third/fourth liners.
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Just can't help yourself I guess. I would say we got your position after your 400th post on this.
 
BKerr said:
And almost all of these "enforcers who can play a bit of hockey" are dominant players in junior, not just third/fourth liners.
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Well that's not true, unless your definition of "who can play a bit of hockey" is quite different than mine.

Mine is, will not put his team in jeopardy when on the ice and can actually make a hockey play. Brashear was one of the better enforcer/player and he wasn't dominant in junior.
 
Chris Neil
Kyle Clifford
Derek Dorsett
Brandon Prust

These were the kinda guys I was looking at.

And not really huge fighter but look at fourth line guys and what they do in junior... Ryan White, Max Lapierre, Dale Weise, etc

Also would you trade a first rounder, even a late one, for any of these guys?

wiseguy1 said:
The healthiest way to look at McCarron is this.... enforcers who can play a bit of hockey are not easy to find. Moen and Prust are not big and have nagging injuries , somebody has to replace them as the designated fighter. I assume this part of hockey will not be phased out of the game soon.

McCarron can have a role in this league if he maintains top physical condition, works hard on his skating and is willing to drop the gloves when needed. A lot of late first rounders do not amount to much anyway. I really do not have a problem using a late first rounder the odd time on a player like this. Now many may say why not wait past the first round to draft a player who potentially fits this mold. The simple answer to that is McCarron's size. His size is freakish for someone who has supposedly not even matured yet. If you can get someone that big to keep up with the tempo of the game and not be a liability on the ice, its worth the shot.
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Wiseguy, you say its worth a shot. Would you trade a first round pick for Chris Neil? how about a first rounder for Kyle Clifford?
 
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BKerr said:
Chris Neil
Kyle Clifford
Derek Dorsett
Brandon Prust

These were the kinda guys I was looking at.

And not really huge fighter but look at fourth line guys and what they do in junior... Ryan White, Max Lapierre, Dale Weise, etc

Also would you trade a first rounder, even a late one, for any of these guys?



Would you trade a first round pick for Chris Neil?
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That's what I thought, you were looking at hockey players who can fight a bit. I was looking at heavy weight enforcers who can play a bit.

Speaking of heavy weights who cannot play much, I think Tony Twist must be the only player who scored more goals in the NHL than in juniors (on a per game level).

And btw yes I would have traded a first rounder for Chris Neil about 10 years ago.
 
how bout a first for Perezhogin, leblanc, fata, mcneil, paajarvi, ashton, schroeder , etc its a crapshoot Ben and these are either small skilled guys , big skilled players , or players who were big physical types who can play with some skill who had good junior careers

call them projects , players overated , players drafted by the wrong team , whatever .....SOME MAKE IT SOME DONT

and from the 2008 draft onward there are many so called skilled guys who have done shit in this league taken way before #| 25 who were not considered longshots

If Mike even pans out as a third liner I would rather have him and his size than some Brett Connolly bust who at best will me a marginal depth guy or Zach Boychuk trying to crack a lineup at 25 years of age
 
BKerr said:
Chris Neil
Kyle Clifford
Derek Dorsett
Brandon Prust

These were the kinda guys I was looking at.

And not really huge fighter but look at fourth line guys and what they do in junior... Ryan White, Max Lapierre, Dale Weise, etc

Also would you trade a first rounder, even a late one, for any of these guys?

Wiseguy, you say its worth a shot. Would you trade a first round pick for Chris Neil? how about a first rounder for Kyle Clifford?
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All of these players are agitators first and foremost and with the exception of Neil, they are average size at best. They are useful in their respective roles but I don't value them very much because there are plenty of medium-weight agitators.

Why do you always compare McCarron to midgets? Even Biggs who is supposed to be this poster boy for truculence is like 30lbs and 3" shorter than Mke.
 
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