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Yeah, the safety research is not particularly kind to these types of moves. More populist nonsense from Doug to obfuscate from the health care system he's letting fall apart so it can be privatized
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, the safety research is not particularly kind to these types of moves. More populist nonsense from Doug to obfuscate from the health care system he's letting fall apart so it can be privatized
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He's allergic to doing anything meaningful but it's these stupid things that stupid people vote for.
 
MindzEye said:
Governments should not water the lawn while the house is on fire. Agreed
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It's silly and lazy analysis to criticize every single thing the "other side" does based on something totally unrelated. Argue based on the merits of the policy. My first 2 thoughts upon reading this were 1.yay, and 2. Safety data may not be great. But we can save a lot more car accident deaths by eliminating cars entirely. Is that remotely realistic, or even a good idea? Complicated issue.

Not everyone lives downtown with access to reasonable public transit, lots of people need and love their cars. Including me, and I lived without one for many years, so I see both sides.

I don't like Doug Ford, I think he is corrupt, but not everything he does is bad. In fact he's probably better than many alternatives. How many right wingers would have responded as well as he did to both Trump tariffs and Carney?

Anyway, sure this is populist but fuck it, it's kind of ballsy and I like it.
 
axlsalinger said:
It's silly and lazy analysis to criticize every single thing the "other side" does based on something totally unrelated.
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But it's not unrelated. Doug specifically uses this buck a beer type shit to appeal to the lowest common denominator voters who don't pay attention to the far more important things in the province's portfolio.

axlsalinger said:
Argue based on the merits of the policy.
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I mean, I already did. I can expand on it all with more data from other jurisdictions who have raised speed limits if you want, but the short answer is that for every ~1% increase in velocity, there's a 4% increase in fatality rate. Also as noted previously, the survival rate for someone in vehicle making impact at 120kmh is basically zero.

So this policy is trading getting where you're going slightly faster for blood. Bad trade imo.

axlsalinger said:
My first 2 thoughts upon reading this were 1.yay, and 2. Safety data may not be great. But we can save a lot more car accident deaths by eliminating cars entirely. Complicated issue.
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The knock on effect of policies like this is that they make car travel more attractive to people, not less, inducing more car trips over other modes, doing the opposite of eliminating cars, they incentivize them.

axlsalinger said:
Not everyone lives downtown with access to reasonable public transit
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Because we've spent decades making decisions like this one. Good transit shouldn't be limited to just downtown Toronto.

I'll give Doug credit for pushing transit forward since getting elected (after spending a few decades actively obstructing transit builds) and it takes time to build out a proper network that changes trip behaviour meaningfully. But decisions like this just appeal to the worst drivers among us and will lead to more funerals.
 
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axlsalinger said:
It's silly and lazy analysis to criticize every single thing the "other side" does based on something totally unrelated. Argue based on the merits of the policy. My first 2 thoughts upon reading this were 1.yay, and 2. Safety data may not be great. But we can save a lot more car accident deaths by eliminating cars entirely. Is that remotely realistic, or even a good idea? Complicated issue.

Not everyone lives downtown with access to reasonable public transit, lots of people need and love their cars. Including me, and I lived without one for many years, so I see both sides.

I don't like Doug Ford, I think he is corrupt, but not everything he does is bad. In fact he's probably better than many alternatives. How many right wingers would have responded as well as he did to both Trump tariffs and Carney?

Anyway, sure this is populist but fuck it, it's kind of ballsy and I like it.
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In what world is this ballsy?
 
WellPlayed said:
The real limit in a 100 is like 125-130 anyway. So if they increased to 110 and said all police have been instructed to strictly enforce, it would probably improve road safety. But now everyone is just going to do 130+.
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CBC did a full blown study on the 401 and the 85th percentile travel speed was 113-126kmh depending on road conditions.

This really does feel like catering to the worst drivers on the road with public policy that is going to impact the rest of us negatively so that everyone can get where they're going 2-3 minutes faster.
 
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