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Number 2 is the issue. Tough to do with bad transit but a family probably only needs one car, not 2.
Vancouver, like most North American cities, has, at best, mediocre transit. It's fine if you live near a SkyTrain station and you work downtown, Monday through Friday from 9-5. But if you're not rich and you have to take a bus to a SkyTrain station and then another bus at the other end because you don't work downtown but in another outlying area and you work nights or weekends, transit sucks just like every other part of your life. There are many bus stops in the Lower Mainland which are nothing but signs on a pole at the side of the road. No shelter from the elements of any sort.
 
Number 2 is the issue. Tough to do with bad transit but a family probably only needs one car, not 2.

Fair, but those people typically aren't choosing to live in the city core, or in high density housing close to transit stations. They're generally happy making the trade off of worse access to transit for more indoor living space and a backyard.
 
Fair, but those people typically aren't choosing to live in the city core, or in high density housing close to transit stations. They're generally happy making the trade off of worse access to transit for more indoor living space and a backyard.
People in metropolitan areas like Vancouver often don't have "choices", they merely have a host of bad options, all of which are too expensive. In many cases, they are forced to opt for lousy access to transit and cramped, overpriced living conditions. The cost of living, even living relatively frugally, is still insane.
 
Fair, but those people typically aren't choosing to live in the city core, or in high density housing close to transit stations. They're generally happy making the trade off of worse access to transit for more indoor living space and a backyard.
That was me. Had a car but rarely used it. Train to work was good but basically anywhere outside of downtown was useless.
 
Halifax has some of these issues now and is going to have some of them in the future.

Rents are currently insane and the vacancy rate is like the second lowest in the country.

But on the other hand, transit has never really been good (it's just busses and a ferry, no LRT or anything), and the population is exploding.

Traffic is as bad as it has ever been (thankfully I cycle to work) and since we live on a peninsula we are quickly using up all the available space to cram in condos, nevermind actual infrastructure.
 
That was me. Had a car but rarely used it. Train to work was good but basically anywhere outside of downtown was useless.
Our car sits in our driveway M-F during the work week. But after work tonight I will be driving to the vet to pick up the pooch's meds.
 
People in metropolitan areas like Vancouver often don't have "choices", they merely have a host of bad options, all of which are too expensive. In many cases, they are forced to opt for lousy access to transit and cramped, overpriced living conditions. The cost of living, even living relatively frugally, is still insane.

Eh, I'm not getting dragged into a broader conversation on Vancouver, the cost of living, etc. You responded to a comment about transit centric development and said something dumb and stupid about it. I pointed out that it was dumb and stupid. That's it, that's all. If you want to yell at clouds, have at it, but I'm not taking the opposite side of the argument of everything you hate.
 
That was me. Had a car but rarely used it. Train to work was good but basically anywhere outside of downtown was useless.

Yup. The answer to that obviously is moar trains. Build moar trains, and moar people will leave moar cars at home to take them.

This gets even better when you have fast and functioning regional rail because assholes who don't live in your city and just bring their cars with them every fucking day now have an option to leave their cars at home. Unless it's something I specifically need my vehicle for, I take GO every time I'm heading for anything relatively close to downtown. I'd hardly call GO an ideal solution for people living outside of Toronto though at this point and it's still superior to driving in some ways.
 
Our car sits in our driveway M-F during the work week. But after work tonight I will be driving to the vet to pick up the pooch's meds.

and this is pretty normal car usage in a city with a functioning transit network (which can include walking and bike paths, not just rail and bus).

I'm not going to argue that we're not way behind on transit in North America, but the answer is exactly what was mentioned above. Build transit through existing neighbourhoods/corridors with the need (density), and when that's done, build it where you want development to happen. Density will happen naturally around your transit stations.
 
Eh, I'm not getting dragged into a broader conversation on Vancouver, the cost of living, etc. You responded to a comment about transit centric development and said something dumb and stupid about it. I pointed out that it was dumb and stupid. That's it, that's all. If you want to yell at clouds, have at it, but I'm not taking the opposite side of the argument of everything you hate.
he's very good at including, in the same post, three normal, reasonable, and uncontroverted statements, and then undermine all of them with one whacko irrelevant take.
 
and this is pretty normal car usage in a city with a functioning transit network (which can include walking and bike paths, not just rail and bus).

I'm not going to argue that we're not way behind on transit in North America, but the answer is exactly what was mentioned above. Build transit through existing neighbourhoods/corridors with the need (density), and when that's done, build it where you want development to happen. Density will happen naturally around your transit stations.
yeah if the Scandinavians can have great year round cycling infrastructure, no reason we cannot too. we're decades behind though.
 
Jokes aside, small homes as urban infill are definitely part of the solution, especially for 1st time home owners and single renters
I recruit for some companies making prefab homes. It has not taken off yet in N.America, but is big in Europe. Sure, you home won't explode in value but you aren't going into debt getting it and don't have to deal with multiple bidders.
 
Eh, I'm not getting dragged into a broader conversation on Vancouver, the cost of living, etc. You responded to a comment about transit centric development and said something dumb and stupid about it. I pointed out that it was dumb and stupid. That's it, that's all. If you want to yell at clouds, have at it, but I'm not taking the opposite side of the argument of everything you hate.
I'm saying that even when you appear to have transit-centric development it doesn't work that great in North America because people won't get rid of their cars no matter what. It works better in Europe where not owning a car is more commonplace. Cars and petrol are optional and expensive in Europe. In North America they are viewed as a necessity. That mentality isn't going to be reversed by construction of any sort. I agree with the concept but in practice it's not going to work that well unless or until the mentality of North Americans changes )and by North American I really mean Canadian because we already know that Americans will never budge on this). Not owning a gas-guzzling pickup truck or SUV is literally communism as far as they're concerned.
 
yeah if the Scandinavians can have great year round cycling infrastructure, no reason we cannot too. we're decades behind though.
We don't have the same mentality as the Scandinavians. We have adopted the American "everything that doesn't involve an internal combustion engine is socialism" mentality. Every time a forward-thinking city government in North America takes away street parking to put in a bike lane people whine and bitch like you just shot their dog.
 
We don't have the same mentality as the Scandinavians. We have adopted the American "everything that doesn't involve an internal combustion engine is socialism" mentality. Every time a forward-thinking city government in North America takes away street parking to put in a bike lane people whine and bitch like you just shot their dog.
hence, 'decades behind'
 
I get what you are saying but comparing Canada to Europe is like comparing apples to oranges. Their population is roughly ten times that of Canada occupying about the same land mass. You can quite easily travel by train from one city/country to another by train or bus. Canada is much more spread out and has only three or four large cities that can effectively support public transit.
 
I get what you are saying but comparing Canada to Europe is like comparing apples to oranges. Their population is roughly ten times that of Canada occupying about the same land mass. You can quite easily travel by train from one city/country to another by train or bus. Canada is much more spread out and has only three or four large cities that can effectively support public transit.
Our rates of urbanization are comparable to Europe.
 
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