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Open Spots in Long Running Dynasty Hockey League

leafman101

leafman101

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If anyone is interested in another hockey league, there are a couple openings in another league I am in. I have been in the league for over a decade now, there are a bunch of good guys and its pretty fun an competitive.

27 teams, 48 man rosters with 12 forwards, 6 D, 2 goalies, 8 man bench and 20 prospect slots. There is a salary cap.

Ottawa and Vancouver are available.

The draft is next Friday.

Check it out below. If anyone is interested let me know.

http://ultimatefantasyhockey.com/
 
What are the league fees? I'm definitely interested in a capped league, ****, I've thought about bringing that up for discussion here but know what the outcome would be.

A few questions:

Same rules as the NHL cap applies?
When a player hits free agency, you retain his rights, but at his new salary?
 
Cool looking league.

I wish we would have made ours a cap league too. I can't see a realistic way of converting it now though.
 
Same rules as NHL cap, but we used a 1.2 multiplier so it was $70 million cap this season instead of $64. There is no free agency, you retain players rights their salaries just adjust with the NHL numbers.

I think its pretty easy to implement, its just takes extra work to enforce without fantrax including a cap. I assume that will be an option on there sooner or later though.

Although cap geek does have a fantasy roster cap calculator that makes it easy.
 
Habspatrol said:
Cool looking league.

I wish we would have made ours a cap league too. I can't see a realistic way of converting it now though.
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Oh, it's doable. We start by taking a snapshot of where we're at (I would put up a guess that a few teams at the top are 100-110+ million dollar clubs) and scale it back over a 3 year period. Start the limit at whatever the top team is at (for example, say it's 1.5x the current cap) and cut the maximum cap by .1 every year until we were at something like 1.2 (we would have to take into account the nature of the league, there's 20 teams, not 30) and hold it steady there. Capgeek makes it easy enough to generate a sheet to see where you're at
 
Given the fact that people have now spent upwards of three plus years building their teams in a none cap system, it would be absurd to all of a sudden change it on the fly. People's entire franchise building strategies in the inaugural draft would have been completely different as would the trades they've made in the years since then.....not to mention it would warp the values of trades made under our previous set up, and completely alter the landscape of the league.

To do it anywhere near fairly, you'd need to trash the whole league and start from scratch.

My suggestion to those that want to be in a capped league......jump on one of the openings in 101's....

Capped League's a straight Dynasty League's are two very very different formats that utilize very different value systems....you can't swap from one to another without warping the values of players/deals that took place prior.

We may as well arbitrarily decide that blocked shots are worth 50 points, and goals are now worth 0.5
 
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I just wanna go on record. I vote against making blocked shots worth 50 points, and goals worth 0.5.

Worst idea brought forward since someone suggested converting to a salary cap.
 
Sure it would change things but if we actually think it would improve the league then that is the most important thing really.

And it will effect some teams more than others but its not like you'd be forced to buyout players. Those teams will just end up trading a good player or two for a shitload of good prospects. It's not that bad.
 
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Given the fact that people have now spent upwards of three plus years building their teams in a none cap system, it would be absurd to all of a sudden change it on the fly. People's entire franchise building strategies in the inaugural draft would have been completely different as would the trades they've made in the years since then.....not to mention it would warp the values of trades made under our previous set up, and completely alter the landscape of the league.

To do it anywhere near fairly, you'd need to trash the whole league and start from scratch.

My suggestion to those that want to be in a capped league......jump on one of the openings in 101's....

Capped League's a straight Dynasty League's are two very very different formats that utilize very different value systems....you can't swap from one to another without warping the values of players/deals that took place prior.

We may as well arbitrarily decide that blocked shots are worth 50 points, and goals are now worth 0.5
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If it's possible to shift in real life...think it's possible to shift in this league. GMs had to rethink their team on the fly. Some teams adapted better than others did. Think you are being a bit dramatic saying the league would have to be started from scratch.

Eventually (not next year...but with some warning), would be in favour of a capped league. It's a fun dynamic and the goal has always been to try and make this league as realistic as possible.
 
Correction: To do it properly, you'd need to start from scratch.


Adding a cap, you'd be retroactively punishing teams for deals they made without giving thought to the idea that the league could completely change it's value system down the road by adding a totally new variable to the equation.

It would swing the value on players enormously from where they were....
 
Great example would be the last trade that took place in our League....

Artnes deals
TJ Oshie - 4 years remaining at ~4 million per.

Mindz trades
Daniel Sedin - 4 years $7 million per.
Paul Martin - 1 year remaining, $5m per, then likely a raise.
Marek Zidlicky - 1 year $4 million.
Chris Higgins - 3 years, $2.5m


So a deal that both parties deemed fair based on age and production alone....now holds a previously hidden value, that results in a $14.5 million swing to each sides payroll....that's a big value variable that obviously impacts both squads, and how they'd have viewed the deal in a cap world.

That's just a random deal chosen because it was the last one made....but there's obviously boatloads of trades that would be similarly impacted, as would how people originally drafted, how they'd have valued draft picks, etc etc.......wend literally be altering the values of every player in the league, and some previously equivalent players would see their values swing in wildly different directions.
 
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Oh I agree it's not fair. Some teams will get screwed a bit. Most teams probably.

I just think it's the more realistic experience. And that was the point of the league.

We're doing it so may as well do it right.
 
There's no "right" way......redraft leagues have their purpose, keeper leagues have their purpose, capped leagues have their purpose, and Dynasty leagues have their purpose....if we all had felt a capped league was the right choice, we'd have made it a capped league from day one, (you know, when it actually would make sense to do so.....from the start?).....but we didn't, we chose a Dynasty League.

It's not like we weren't all aware capped leagues existed when we started....many of us were playing in them.

If people were dying for it to be a capped league that's an argument that should have been made 3 years ago.....not after the fact when everyone has put in three years building their teams under the structure we had all agreed to.

If we're going to do something this colossally shady.....we may as well scrap it all....reformat the entire league to your liking (actually pick a format that you'll all stick to this time) and then redraft the whole damn thing. As dumb as that is, it'd be twice as logical as arbitrarily altering the format of the league 3 seasons in.

I mean shit, for those that want that experience.....there's literally openings in a capped league, right here in this thread, for you to take part in. Don't sabotage the one we already have, just because you couldn't win under it's existing rules.
 
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We're just discussing a potential rule change here. You can tone down the melodrama. Laying it on pretty thick there.

You don't support the idea. I get it.
 
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