OT: American Politics

[zeke]

Edward Snowden @Snowden
2016: a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs.

27 Feb 2016

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CNBC Now@CNBCnow
BREAKING: President-elect Trump picks Goldman Sachs president & COO Gary Cohn to be National Economic Council Director - @NBCNews

9 Dec 2016

 

[zeke]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Was there another loan that Ted Cruz FORGOT to file. Goldman Sachs owns him, he will do anything they demand. Not much of a reformer!

16 Jan 2016

 

[zeke]

M @defenestrate161
Trump blocks women's March in DC. "Massive omnibus blocking permit" filed by Trump - no protest for months time.com/4595399/women-…

 

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[Habsy]

I sense you're trying to get a point across but it's escaping me...

 

[zeke]

you gotta admit that it's fabulous that they actually portrayed Hillary as the candidate of goldman sachs, when she's been actively involved in the very regulations that trump is gonna scrap for them.

 

[zeke]

Two taxes that will be presumably axed with Obamacare affect only those making $200,000 or more. The break the ACA repeal will bring to those taxpayers will amount to a $346 billion tax cut in total over 10 years, according to the CBO report on the 2015 repeal legislation GOP lawmakers say they’ll be using as their model next year.

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[JohnnyHolmes]

I am more and more alarmed by how supportive people are of China.

I'm sorry, I guess I don't see all of the great work they are doing.

Democracy? No.

Free press? No.

Respecting the territorial boundaries of it's neighbours? No.

Stopped building military islands in international water? No.

Stopped supporting a despotic nuclear armed madman in north Korea who regularly threatens...everyone? No.

Making a effort to combat climate change? No.

Stopped flooding the Tibetan region with native Chinese? No.

Allow the free practicing of religion? No.

Stopped sentencing thousands of people to death each year? No.

Stopped being run almost entirely on the business of corruption? No.

Stopped trying to undermine the democracy in Hong Kong? No.

Stopped threatening Taiwan over their legitimate claims of independence? No.

But they do make the IPhone, I give them that. Oh, and the manufacturing jobs that people say don't exist anymore. What a great place. Go China go. May every country in the world be run as well as you.

You guys...

Yeah, but other than that...

 

[MindzEye]

I am more and more alarmed by how supportive people are of China.

The problem here is that you think anyone who doesn't want to "kick China in the teeth" supports what China is up to. There are methods of containment that don't require tanking the world economy, a global depression, and a shooting war between two of the most advanced militaries on the planet (both of whom have nukes....yaaaah!!!!)

I'm sorry, I guess I don't see all of the great work they are doing.

Oh waiter, yes....I'll have the red herring please, I hear it's delicious.

Democracy? No.

Free press? No.

A few decades ago, they were far more repressive. As the population becomes wealthier, it demands more rights. I mean, if you want to blame "China" for this stuff, where do we look at the role that colonialism played in China becoming the "sick man of Asia"? Where is your vitriol for the British or the Japanese and the role they played in what China became politically?

Stopped supporting a despotic nuclear armed madman in north Korea who regularly threatens...everyone? No.

Weird, I've come to expect such a nuanced view of complex situations from you. There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. They don't "support" North Korea as much as they contain them.

Making a effort to combat climate change? No.

Actually not true. Don't get me wrong, they're no environmental champion and their reasons for getting the ball moving on cleaning up their act is as much domestically driven as it is due to global climate change, but they've started taking steps.

But they do make the IPhone, I give them that. Oh, and the manufacturing jobs that people say don't exist anymore. What a great place. Go China go. May every country in the world be run as well as you.

You guys...

Nobody is saying that they're a model society. Their government is really, really shit in a lot of ways. But again, there are ways to manage and contain them which doesn't include a decade of global depression. Geopolitics is a long game.

 

[Altair]

The problem here is that you think anyone who doesn't want to "kick China in the teeth" supports what China is up to. There are methods of containment that don't require tanking the world economy, a global depression, and a shooting war between two of the most advanced militaries on the planet (both of whom have nukes....yaaaah!!!!)



Oh waiter, yes....I'll have the red herring please, I hear it's delicious.



A few decades ago, they were far more repressive. As the population becomes wealthier, it demands more rights. I mean, if you want to blame "China" for this stuff, where do we look at the role that colonialism played in China becoming the "sick man of Asia"? Where is your vitriol for the British or the Japanese and the role they played in what China became politically?




Weird, I've come to expect such a nuanced view of complex situations from you. There are no good options in dealing with North Korea. They don't "support" North Korea as much as they contain them.



Actually not true. Don't get me wrong, they're no environmental champion and their reasons for getting the ball moving on cleaning up their act is as much domestically driven as it is due to global climate change, but they've started taking steps.




Nobody is saying that they're a model society. Their government is really, really shit in a lot of ways. But again, there are ways to manage and contain them which doesn't include a decade of global depression. Geopolitics is a long game.

Nobody has mentioned these way to contain China. Just repeating there are ways isn't much of a strategy.

 

[zeke]

what is this great threat from China that needs to be contained, exactly?

 

[Habsy]

you gotta admit that it's fabulous that they actually portrayed Hillary as the candidate of goldman sachs, when she's been actively involved in the very regulations that trump is gonna scrap for them.

Except former Goldman Sachs representatives have been in almost every administration, Democrat or Republican, for the past 40 years. They are literally the establishment.

#draintheswamp

 

[Habsy]

Wanting a provoked war with China just makes zero sense. The only thing I can think of is that desire is born of hatred. Nothing else is logical.

 

[Habsy]

Rudy Giuliani officially out of running for the Secretary of State gig. I guess he's too far left for Bannon.

 

[JohnnyHolmes]

Zeke, remember:

Down the road, not across the street.

 

[zeke]

your goldenboy stole the election then sold you out.

sorry not sorry.

 

[Habsy]

Stole?

 

[Aberdeen]

what is this great threat from China that needs to be contained, exactly?

The thought of their prosperity.

 

[JohnnyHolmes]

your goldenboy stole the election then sold you out.

sorry not sorry.

Stole what? Hillary and all her supporters were celebrating her coronation before a ballot was cast.

Over a month of full on butthurt is pretty impressive though. You have elite stamina.