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OT: American Politics

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Twitter and some of the progressive blogs are saying that the anti-abortion types are in full on orgasm mode today as they're pretty convinced that Scheer is their guy, and that they got him elected with their aggressive get out the vote campaigns.

If that's the case, the next election is going to be a bloodbath.
 
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MindzEye said:
Twitter and some of the progressive blogs are saying that the anti-abortion types are in full on orgasm mode today as they're pretty convinced that Scheer is their guy, and that they got him elected with their aggressive get out the vote campaigns.

If that's the case, the next election is going to be a bloodbath.
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Yeah, I don't think there's much doubt about that. And I thinka large factor will be one of the few policy positions Scheer announced in his campaign: that under his leadership, social conservatives will be allowed to "speak their conscience".

I mean, that probably sounds like great idea to Scheer, until they get to one week before the election, some hillbilly rural candidate starts spouting off about how horrible it is that we're allowing "the gays" to marry and be protected from discrimination, and how abortion is a homicidal subversion of The Lord's will.

Really, one of the main reasons Harper was able to wash the Reform party stink off the new CPC party, and get past all of the "hidden agenda" messaging on his way to multiple election wins is that he tamped down hard on bozo eruptions from hard right social conservatives in the party, knowing full well that to the larger national voting base, that shit is electoral poison.
 
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I think I heard Sheer say last night that those issues were settled, also once marijuana is legalized that issue is also settled.

What he needs to do is make clear to members and to the press is, allowing members to voice their opinion does not mean the existing policy will be revisited or changed.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

LeafGm said:
Yeah, I don't think there's much doubt about that. And I thinka large factor will be one of the few policy positions Scheer announced in his campaign: that under his leadership, social conservatives will be allowed to "speak their conscience".

I mean, that probably sounds like great idea to Scheer, until they get to one week before the election, some hillbilly rural candidate starts spouting off about how horrible it is that we're allowing "the gays" to marry and be protected from discrimination, and how abortion is a homicidal subversion of The Lord's will.

Really, one of the main reasons Harper was able to wash the Reform party stink off the new CPC party, and get past all of the "hidden agenda" messaging on his way to multiple election wins is that he tamped down hard on bozo eruptions from hard right social conservatives in the party, knowing full well that to the larger national voting base, that shit is electoral poison.
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Yeah, I don't think the average Canadian really gets how conservative the rural Albertan and Sask resident is, or how they really, really want to try to sneak a socially conservative agenda through wearing the clothing of fiscal conservatism. Watching the cities in Alberta slide further and further left is hilarious to me. Watching the western social conservatives lose more and more control of lower levels of government has been quite fun (liberals run the large municipalities out here and the NDP is somewhat famously in power in Alberta and not doing a terrible job).

Edmonton is considered a bastion of crony leftism in Alberta these days and the nutters were quick to blame the NDP for a recent report on wages in Calgary plummeting while wages in Edmonton surged (which I have it on good authority is due entirely to Notley preferring the people who voted for her in Edmonton to splash her public largesse on!). When Edmonton is considered leftist, the problem is your compass. It's about as working class as a city in Canada gets.
 
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Guys, Brad Trost got 60% of the vote in the riding of Markham-Unionville.

The idea that social conservatism is somehow exclusively a white and rural phenomenon is at best incomplete, and at worst lazy political analysis.
 
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IrishWolfman said:
Guys, Brad Trost got 60% of the vote in the riding of Markham-Unionville.

The idea that social conservatism is somehow exclusively a white and rural phenomenon is at best incomplete, and at worst lazy political analysis.
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I don't think anyone ever actually said anything like that.

I'm aware you'll find social conservatives everywhere---Stephen Woodworth in Kitchener is another urban example that comes to mind off the top of my head.

ME's just speaking to his own experience living up in the boonies in the North of Alberta, and I picked the most stereotypical possible example.
 
Two accounts that stopped tweeting when Trump took office.

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zeke said:
this is a nicely worded summation of the stupidity of the trump/altair approach to foreign policy:
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https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/05/26/the-blowhard-in-brussels/
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https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/05/26/the-blowhard-in-brussels/
Donald Trump’s mafioso approach is not only almost indistinguishable from the countries NATO was formed to protect Europe from, it will also dramatically increase the price of doing what America tries to do in the world.
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Really? How so? Lets see what they say.
Yesterday the leaders of 27 allies stood solemnly to commemorate America’s losses in the 2001 terrorist attack on our country. Donald Trump chose that moment to humiliate those leaders. Will NATO allies feel any obligation to contribute troops to a ramping up of effort in Afghanistan?
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God no. They wont. But whether it was Hillary Clinton or Obama in the white house, nobody would be sending troops to the quagmire that is Afghanistan again, so Donald Trump as president makes next to zero difference on that front.
Will allied parliaments support increased defense spending when it will be seen by their voters as rewarding President Trump?
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Yes, yes they will. They already are. One part shame, one part fear of Russian aggression one part fear of Americans not supporting Article 5 if NATO members aren't seen to be spending enough on Defense. But NATO defense spending is on the rise, so that part is a clear yes.
If the 9/11 attacks occurred tomorrow, would Europe grieve with us as they did after 9/11?
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Yeah, probably. I think the world can differentiate between a country's leadership and its civilians. I think that any terrorist attack on innocent civilians that results in a large loss of life will be grieved regardless of who is in the white house.

More importantly, who cares? I'm sure if a large scale attack like 9/11 happens again the last thing on anyone mind is whether Europe and NATO is grieving.
 
Altair said:
https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/05/26/the-blowhard-in-brussels/
Really? How so? Lets see what they say. God no. They wont. But whether it was Hillary Clinton or Obama in the white house, nobody would be sending troops to the quagmire that is Afghanistan again, so Donald Trump as president makes next to zero difference on that front. Yes, yes they will. They already are. One part shame, one part fear of Russian aggression one part fear of Americans not supporting Article 5 if NATO members aren't seen to be spending enough on Defense. But NATO defense spending is on the rise, so that part is a clear yes.
Yeah, probably. I think the world can differentiate between a country's leadership and its civilians. I think that any terrorist attack on innocent civilians that results in a large loss of life will be grieved regardless of who is in the white house.

More importantly, who cares? I'm sure if a large scale attack like 9/11 happens again the last thing on anyone mind is whether Europe and NATO is grieving.
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https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/821184324791898112
 
about 40 secs in, Trump thinks he's at a ball game and starts singing the anthem

[video=youtube;vjI3EakOy-s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjI3EakOy-s[/video]
 
I know he doesn't drink, but he totally looks like he has an early buzz at the ball game. I fully expected to see him high five the dude next to him
 
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