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OT: American Politics

As bad as we think Trump apologists are, just wait til more details come out re; epstein.

Even now with all the pictures of Trump and Epstein together I will bet a dollar that most right wingers are talking about Clinton being on the island and will ignore Trump.

They all need to be strung up and anally probed with acid imo.
 
Wonder at what point govt will try and regulate what news outlets put on TV when they look back at covid 19 and how certain news networks really fucked over the population for political reasons by giving bad information
 
This mass mail-in voting is going to be a mess and give the Dolt ammunition to snow people. News agencies, universities and other organizations are already running tests of the system by sending in ballots to a PO Box they created and ballots are missing. I'm of the mind that they should simply do drive-thru voting like they are doing drive-thru testing. It will eliminate a lot of possible errors. Also, I think they should extend voting to the 3rd and 4th to do so in order to give everyone a chance to vote.

Having been to polling centers, I do not think the delay in drive-thru voting will be worse. In fact I think it will speed things up as they can vote on tablets provided at the centers.

To be clear, the ballots that are missing weren't GOP votes, they were across the board and if anything, mail-in voting could hurt Biden due to shenanigans.

www.cbsnews.com

Vote-by-mail experiment reveals potential problems within postal voting system ahead of November election

"You are setting up the voters with false expectations, and you're setting them up to fail," former Arizona election official Tammy Patrick said.
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sacramento.cbslocal.com

100,000 Mail-In Votes Went Uncounted In California's Primary

More than 100,000 mail-in ballots were rejected by California election officials during the March presidential primary, according to data obtained by The Associated Press that highlights a glaring gap in the state's effort to ensure every vote is counted.
sacramento.cbslocal.com sacramento.cbslocal.com


Now in certain states like NY, CA etc a discrepancy of 3-5% won't make a lick of difference but in OH, FL, PA etc? It absolutely will. I'm thinking Trump is bitching about voter fraud because the GOP is gearing up to do something and it is just a deflection tactic. If so, this is the silent coup not something overt.
 
www.npr.org

Signed, Sealed, Undelivered: Thousands Of Mail-In Ballots Rejected For Tardiness

An NPR analysis finds that more than 50,000 absentee and mail-in ballots were rejected this year for arriving late. While it's a relatively small number, they could prove crucial in a close election.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

www.nytimes.com

Despite Virus Threat, Black Voters Wary of Voting by Mail

Despite fears that the coronavirus pandemic will worsen, Victor Gibson said he's not planning to take advantage of Michigan’s expanded vote-by-mail system when he casts his ballot in November.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

nypost.com

Trump says election results may take ‘years’ with mail-in ballots

President Trump on Thursday evening broadened his attack on widespread mail-in voting, warning that it could delay the results of the presidential election.
nypost.com nypost.com



Do some more research, this widespread mail-in ballot issue could benefit Trump more than Biden. COVID or not I am voting in person and it appears many people feel the same way. THe trust factor just isn't there once you drop the ballot in the mail.
 
Exactly. This is bad and also coming from the guy (me) that is usually not that concerned over stuff but this is worrying me. There is too much opportunity for the party in power to fuck with mail-in ballots through something as simple as delaying their arrival to disqualify them. Just a little more food for thought:

Florida - DeSantis - GOP
Ohio - DeWine - GOP
Arizona - Ducey - GOP


Three States that are very important this election. Not liking this idea. There are other ways to deal with it and there is still time to do so. I still say they should have drive-thru polling stations in addition to walk in and mail-in.
 
Habsy said:
www.npr.org

Signed, Sealed, Undelivered: Thousands Of Mail-In Ballots Rejected For Tardiness

An NPR analysis finds that more than 50,000 absentee and mail-in ballots were rejected this year for arriving late. While it's a relatively small number, they could prove crucial in a close election.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

www.nytimes.com

Despite Virus Threat, Black Voters Wary of Voting by Mail

Despite fears that the coronavirus pandemic will worsen, Victor Gibson said he's not planning to take advantage of Michigan’s expanded vote-by-mail system when he casts his ballot in November.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

nypost.com

Trump says election results may take ‘years’ with mail-in ballots

President Trump on Thursday evening broadened his attack on widespread mail-in voting, warning that it could delay the results of the presidential election.
nypost.com nypost.com



Do some more research, this widespread mail-in ballot issue could benefit Trump more than Biden. COVID or not I am voting in person and it appears many people feel the same way. THe trust factor just isn't there once you drop the ballot in the mail.
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states like Oregon have figured out how to do mail-in voting without issue for what, like 20 years now?

it is not an inherently flawed method. and doesn't research support lower rates of mail-in fraud than in-person fraud?

EDIT - realize that you are arguing something different.
 
Wayward DP said:
states like Oregon have figured out how to do mail-in voting without issue for what, like 20 years now?

it is not an inherently flawed method. and doesn't research support lower rates of mail-in fraud than in-person fraud?

EDIT - realize that you are arguing something different.
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Ok follow me here for a minute because this is an old political trick they may be using:

1) Sound the alarm for voter fraud and blame the other side
2) Put the other side on the defensive that there is no voter fraud and the accusing party is being ridiculous
3) The accusers actually perpetrate fraud while the other side is on the defensive

Not a new scenario and this is starting to reek like that.
 
I would find it amazing if the Democrats are the ones to yell voter fraud over mail in ballots after all is said and done.
 
Habsy said:
Ok follow me here for a minute because this is an old political trick they may be using:

1) Sound the alarm for voter fraud and blame the other side
2) Put the other side on the defensive that there is no voter fraud and the accusing party is being ridiculous
3) The accusers actually perpetrate fraud while the other side is on the defensive

Not a new scenario and this is starting to reek like that.
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Correct.
 
soco22 said:
I would find it amazing if the Democrats are the ones to yell voter fraud over mail in ballots after all is said and done.
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The last 2 cases involving it have aided the Republicans NC-9 and that WV mail worker (Aid may be a bit strong here)
 
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