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OT: Post Corona - What Will Change?

Any bets the cost savings of overhead doesn’t get transferred to employee pay?

Oh, it will go directly to shareholders 100%

But there is direct value to the worker in being better rested, better fed, not spending 100's of dollars a month on transportation, not wasting 100's of hours a year commuting, being able to access nicer, cheaper housing further from your place of work, etc, etc, etc.

If your salary doesn't go up, but your costs of living go down, you're still net positive.
 
Oh, it will go directly to shareholders 100%

But there is direct value to the worker in being better rested, better fed, not spending 100's of dollars a month on transportation, not wasting 100's of hours a year commuting, being able to access nicer, cheaper housing further from your place of work, etc, etc, etc.

If your salary doesn't go up, but your costs of living go down, you're still net positive.
Makes sense. Less gas if you drive, fewer lunches out etc.
 
Makes sense. Less gas if you drive, fewer lunches out etc.

The only losers in this scenario are the sociopaths who manage to claw their way to the top of that particular social experiment through working obscene amounts of hours and tonguing the right assholes around the office.

So nobody. Nobody loses.
 
I'm stoked. The future is finally catching up to my longheld plan of outsourcing my personal deliverables to some dude in India.
 
Oh, it will go directly to shareholders 100%

But there is direct value to the worker in being better rested, better fed, not spending 100's of dollars a month on transportation, not wasting 100's of hours a year commuting, being able to access nicer, cheaper housing further from your place of work, etc, etc, etc.

If your salary doesn't go up, but your costs of living go down, you're still net positive.

Its all good if your job can be done completely from home

The last 8 weeks have been brutal for me trying to navigate many departments with logistics and warehouses

Its great to have remote access in some capacity but many jobs still need an office environment
 
Its all good if your job can be done completely from home

The last 8 weeks have been brutal for me trying to navigate many departments with logistics and warehouses

Its great to have remote access in some capacity but many jobs still need an office environment

Sure, just smaller offices and fewer people, with most of them not having to be there 40-50hrs per week. My old man is a good example here, account exec for a decent sized drilling supplier. Has been trying to negotiate for years to do more work from home, kept getting told how essential it was that he was in the office every day that he's not on the road dealing direct with large clients. Covid hits, all of a sudden his boss finds a way for 90% of his office work to be done from home and for him to pop into the office "as needed". Has already told his boss that if they try to return his work flow to what it was prior to this for no other reason than to feel like they're babysitting their staff, they can fuck off. No drop in sales numbers, efficiency, customer satisfaction, etc.

The work isn't harder from home, it's just different. Your failure to plan is not my emergency (aka, send a fucking email and don't come to my office and expect me to drop everything to help you right this second)
 
I gotta say, this experience has affirmed for me that I much, much prefer working out of the office.

Now, that may change when we eventually buy a place and presumably my home office set-up is not as markedly inferior than my actual office. And if my commute is longer. But for now, I am looking forward to hopefully being able to return to spending five days a week at my office. My expectation is I will slowly transition back up to full time at the office as the first wave continues to subside in Canada. Then winter will bring the second wave and back home I will go.
 
I gotta say, this experience has affirmed for me that I much, much prefer working out of the office.

Now, that may change when we eventually buy a place and presumably my home office set-up is not as markedly inferior than my actual office. And if my commute is longer. But for now, I am looking forward to hopefully being able to return to spending five days a week at my office. My expectation is I will slowly transition back up to full time at the office as the first wave continues to subside in Canada. Then winter will bring the second wave and back home I will go.


I have no idea what your own situation is, but I'd be pretty curious to see what the overlap would be between people who'd genuinely rather go in to the office most of the time instead of working at home, and people with kids and/or a stay-at-home spouse.

Because there's definitely people at my office who were happy to volunteer to be part of the skeleton crew still going in to the office every day because they get far more peace and quiet at the office than they would if they were at home.

Whereas I and the dog have the house to ourselves, and I'm loving the work-from-home experience.
 
I have no idea what your own situation is, but I'd be pretty curious to see what the overlap would be between people who'd genuinely rather go in to the office most of the time instead of working at home, and people with kids and/or a stay-at-home spouse.

Because there's definitely people at my office who were happy to volunteer to be part of the skeleton crew still going in to the office every day because they get far more peace and quiet at the office than they would if they were at home.

Whereas I and the dog have the house to ourselves, and I'm loving the work-from-home experience.
Whereas if I had a pet I'd be going to work daily. I had to babysit a dog one weekend and I told Mrs. Preston, never a-fucking-gain. I have always found it weird to see how many people seem to hate their families though. If I felt that way in the least I'd pull the fucking chute. Life is too short. Maybe I'm naive but I've never experienced that. Working from home has been wonderful. I do think that going in to work once or twice a week would be helpful to get certain things done, but otherwise I'm about 10 times more productive and happier at home.
 
I have no idea what your own situation is, but I'd be pretty curious to see what the overlap would be between people who'd genuinely rather go in to the office most of the time instead of working at home, and people with kids and/or a stay-at-home spouse.

Because there's definitely people at my office who were happy to volunteer to be part of the skeleton crew still going in to the office every day because they get far more peace and quiet at the office than they would if they were at home.

Whereas I and the dog have the house to ourselves, and I'm loving the work-from-home experience.
Heh. I will try to unpack this piece by piece.

So my work from home situation is as follows - I share my rather cozy two-bedroom apartment with my spouse, our dog, and our cat. Both my partner and I are lawyers, although we work in totally different fields. We have converted our dining room table into our shared desk, with each of us getting half. We each have a monitor set up in addition to our lap tops, remaining surface space covered in documents. I'll be honest, there are times where working across from my wife is really annoying. Most of the time it's a non issue. I do like getting to see and interact with other people.

The dog basically sleeps all day and is a non factor. I take her most mornings and then she sleeps until late afternoon when she starts rousing and demanding attention. Wife takes the afternoon walk while I work later than her.

The cat is a fucker like all cats, but is generally harmless. As I type this he was up on the counter scrounging for scraps. Occasionally he'll jump up on my lap for cuddles.

So that is my set up, more or less. Reasons why I would rather be in the office:
a) work space
b) access to colleagues
c) social interaction
d) I like the separation of personal and professional. I find I am working way longer hours now and doing so less efficiently
e) for whatever reason, I'm way more efficient at the office

This all comes with the caveat that I am fairly new at this firm and in this position, so there is still quite a learning curve, which I find easier to tackle from the office. In a couple years when I am able to handle more things independently, I may very well change my tune. And having a home office set-up comparable to my work set-up (two monitors plus lap top, double or triple the desk space, adjustable desk, espresso machine) would also likely change things.

The big kicker is my commute. In covid traffic, I'm like 14-16 mins each way. Even in normal traffic, it's usually about 20 mins in the morn and then 15 coming home. So it's a pretty pleasant drive, and not too onerous, and convenient because I literally drive right past my guy's house and a grocery store. If I was still doing my Toronto commute, different ball game.
 
Whereas if I had a pet I'd be going to work daily. I had to babysit a dog one weekend and I told Mrs. Preston, never a-fucking-gain. I have always found it weird to see how many people seem to hate their families though. If I felt that way in the least I'd pull the fucking chute. Life is too short. Maybe I'm naive but I've never experienced that. Working from home has been wonderful. I do think that going in to work once or twice a week would be helpful to get certain things done, but otherwise I'm about 10 times more productive and happier at home.
the humans bother the dog way more than the dog bothers the humans during our workday. for us at least.
 
the humans bother the dog way more than the dog bothers the humans during our workday. for us at least.
Oh I fully recognize that I'm more of a rarity that likes humans and despises dogs. I get the dog thing in some ways, but for me it's a lot of effort put into something that is not even remotely rewarding for me. But that's just me. I don't mean to knock anyone that enjoys them; I realize I'm the weirdo.

But I do stand by finding it weird to live in a place where you hate everyone and would prefer to be at work. Again.. I realize it's a thing and I hear all about it constantly. But like... Why?
 
I have no idea what your own situation is, but I'd be pretty curious to see what the overlap would be between people who'd genuinely rather go in to the office most of the time instead of working at home, and people with kids and/or a stay-at-home spouse.

Because there's definitely people at my office who were happy to volunteer to be part of the skeleton crew still going in to the office every day because they get far more peace and quiet at the office than they would if they were at home.

Whereas I and the dog have the house to ourselves, and I'm loving the work-from-home experience.

There's also definitely a gap between working from home when you have explicitly planned a home office set vs just trying to half-hazard it. I've been working from home for years now, but having moved all around and in different setups, if you can actually set up a home office with a separate setup, it's so much better for you overall than trying to hack something on the fly. Working from the kitchen table is pretty awful, even if you don't have family or pets trying to disrupt you.
 
Oh I fully recognize that I'm more of a rarity that likes humans and despises dogs. I get the dog thing in some ways, but for me it's a lot of effort put into something that is not even remotely rewarding for me. But that's just me. I don't mean to knock anyone that enjoys them; I realize I'm the weirdo.

But I do stand by finding it weird to live in a place where you hate everyone and would prefer to be at work. Again.. I realize it's a thing and I hear all about it constantly. But like... Why?
read the post where I explain why, sweet cheeks
 
read the post where I explain why, sweet cheeks
Sounds to me like you like your wife. I'm talking about the people who hate their wives, hate coming home to their families and would rather slave away an extra 5 hours at work than see them. Why suffer through that?
 
Sounds to me like you like your wife. I'm talking about the people who hate their wives, hate coming home to their families and would rather slave away an extra 5 hours at work than see them. Why suffer through that?
ah, misunderstood. thought that was directed to me specifically.

one thing to consider is folks who have to try and balance child care and work obligations. can see how it would get stressful in a hurry.

but hey, I'm sure there are gonna be a lot of covid breakups. already had one at our office. awkwardly though they still live together...
 
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