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SundinsTooth said:
Perhaps not in bright clear colours but it is indicative of what big money is willing to do to circumnavigate environmental issues.
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Or what big money will do to use environmental issues as a weapon.

Right now, Greece, the broken down Banana Republic is talking about spending 26 BILLION dollars on solar projects.

To sell to whom? Their own citizens? Forcing people to spend more money on electricity who are already eating cat food? Who have 22% unemployment and 700,000 have NO income? To people who are committing suicide because of the economy? To whom? To Germany? Never mind that there is no power line connecting them, Germany has already said they will cut the subsidies to solar power.

So who is behind this crippling "environmental solution"? German solar companies who are facing extinction and now need some other prey to take up the cause.

Ruthless self interest is the foundation of ALL companies....and agendas.
 
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HabsAddict said:
That is the way is should be. Science is advanced by not accepting "consensus" or hive mentality.
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This is sound theory, until it isn't. Scientific consensus exists all over the place, on many issues. Eventually a scientific theory becomes accepted as universal fact, if it stands up to scrutiny. Not accepting the consensus of the earth's position in the solar system or the relative mass of different elements would be ridiculous. You can argue that anthropogenic climate change is not there, or not there yet, but "a consensus is bad science" is not an argument in and of itself for a given scientific theory.
 
johnunit said:
This is sound theory, until it isn't. Scientific consensus exists all over the place, on many issues. Eventually a scientific theory becomes accepted as universal fact, if it stands up to scrutiny. Not accepting the consensus of the earth's position in the solar system or the relative mass of different elements would be ridiculous. You can argue that anthropogenic climate change is not there, or not there yet, but "a consensus is bad science" is not an argument in and of itself for a given scientific theory.
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Consensus used to stifle opposing view IS bad science. And just for the record, who has led the screaming temper tantrum of "the debate is over"?

"anthropogenic climate change is not there, or not there yet".......I'm noticing a crack in your armour. Don't take that as a cut, but rather, as a compliment. I have changed my position on many things in life. Not to do so would be dogmatic.
 
I don't think we will see eye to eye on climategate...but I do agree with you that an attitude of solid, unyielding consensus is never a good thing. People should always be free to question and test theories, and I believe they are allowed this freedom as I see it in my day-to-day life.
 
the suggestion that the scientific community is anywhere remotely near as rigid and unquestioning as, say, the religious community, is laughable.
 
Huh? That makes zero sense.....academics are known for their close-mindedness? Obviously you have zero experience dealing with scientists if that is what you believe....because if you did, you would laugh at this suggestion.
 
Ok, well elaborate on some of your personal experiences that leads you to believe that scientists are close-minded, to the point that they rival religious purists in their inflexibility.
 
As an aside, anyone keeping up with the NDP leadership race? It seems like the party is doing everything in its power to hold off on anointing Mulcair as Layton's successor.
 
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Andrew Prescott, deputy campaign manager to Guelph Conservative candidate Marty Burke, tweeted on April 30, “Anti-#CPC voter suppression phone calls currently underway in Guelph, suspecting #LPC #elxn41” — referencing the Twitter shorthand for the Liberal Party of Canada and the 41st general election.

Prescott, a self-described cellphone expert, followed up a few minutes later with another tweet claiming that these phone calls were “using spoofed Caller-ID of Burke campaign. I ‘wonder’ who it could be . . .”

Later, Prescott tweeted about these alleged calls again, saying “#LPC internal polling must be BAD, considering the dirty voter suppression calls underway in Guelph . . .”

He also sent a public Twitter message to CBC blogger Kady O’Malley, speculating the Liberals’ internal polling “must be REALLY BAD, voter suppression calls in Guelph AND Halton . . . anywhere else?”
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The American computer hacker who shook the Internet underground by becoming an FBI informant didn't just break the law on the Web: He also carried a gun and was involved in drug dealing.

Court documents unsealed this week show that in exchange for his co-operation, federal prosecutors agreed not to prosecute hacker Hector Xavier Monsegur for a litany of other crimes he admitted committing over the years, including his attempted sale of a 1 pound (0.45 kilograms) of marijuana in 2010 and another 4 pounds (1.8 kilograms) in 2003.

They also agreed not to pursue charges for other crimes, including gun possession, purchasing stolen jewelry and electronics, running up $15,000 on a former employer's credit card and referring people seeking prescription pain pills to illegal drug suppliers. The court papers said Mr. Monsegur would also avoid prosecution for hacking into the website of an online casino.


Mr. Monsegur, who was known on the Internet as a shadowy figure called “Sabu,” signed the co-operation agreement on Aug. 15. By then, he had already been working closely with the FBI for two months, often pulling late hours exchanging messages with fellow hackers while federal agents watched.


The 28-year-old New Yorker, who operated from a sixth-floor apartment in a dilapidated city housing project, has already pleaded guilty to a string of computer crimes, including conspiring with the “hacktivist” groups Anonymous, Internet Feds and Lulzsec, and breaking into the websites of media and Internet security companies.
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Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
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