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MindzEye said:
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Ingram is the more explosive scorer, but I think that 40 million is the right thing to move off of our books this summer. RJ will definitely re sign and probably at a pretty reasonable number considering what secondary offensive players are going for.

A 4 yr RJ extension would probably be in the 22-25 million per range and cover his age 27-30 years. A Ingram opt in + 3 yr extension is probably at 40+ a year and would cover 30-33. Not a hard decision imo.

Ingram + Jake probably gets us a pretty solid upgrade as well.
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we did such a good job rehabbing Ingram's image this year - he stayed healthy, he was reasonably effective on a good team - and then he goes and torches all of his trade value with this faceplant of a series. tough.
 
zeke said:
we did such a good job rehabbing Ingram's image this year - he stayed healthy, he was reasonably effective on a good team - and then he goes and torches all of his trade value with this faceplant of a series. tough.
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I don't think he's torched all of it. Gotta remember man, there are a lot of teams out there looking to make moves just to make the playoffs. Even more now that the NBA is about to nuke tanking from orbit

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There are a lot of bad teams that would want a scorer like Ingram to insulate their kids as they develop when organic, free range tanking isn't beneficial anymore.
 
zeke said:
Ingram for AD.
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Plausible. I don't love it, I think it's a swing at the fences before we're ready to swing at the fences...especially with Davis in a position to force us into what will almost definitely be a terrible max extension with him only having 1 guaranteed year left on the deal, but yeah sure.

I know it's lower ceiling, but I'd still prefer something like Ingram + Jake for Sabonis + Monk. We're maybe/probably losing Mamu in free agency, and I'd like to replace what he does for the bench.
 
zeke said:
sabonis is just such a weird player. i dunno.
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He is, but he does a lot of stuff we could use and his biggest shortcoming by a lot as a big is rim protection. Something that a Scottie-CMB-Sabonis front court wouldn't struggle with overall, with Scottie and CMB being excellent help side shot blockers for their positions.

I mean, he shoots well enough that you have to defend it from 18+ feet so that's a huge improvement on Jake. He's an elite rebounder, which was one of our biggest weaknesses this year, elite ball mover/connector as a big so all of those sets we run with Jake up at the top for DHO's become something way more dangerous entirely. Efficient scorer without needing the ball a ton, gets a bunch of his points on 2nd chances. Not an iso guy, but he's a centre and would be replacing Jake who is obviously not an ISO guy either.

zeke said:
AD makes us defensively ridiculous at least.
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25 games a year for 60 million.

The concept of AD is obviously superior, but there's so much risk there. This isn't that "Kawhi for a chip" risk either. AD isn't the guy who was 1A/1B with Lebron 7 years ago on a title. He's a busted down 33 yr old version of that who Washington just paid way too much for.

His contract situation is legitimately terrifying:

26/27 - 58 million guaranteed
27/28 - 63 million dollar player option

He's 100% going to leverage any trade into a max extension. Now, I think there's a chance to play hardball though because if he goes to free agency he's not getting 3/200+ or anything like that, but now he's got you over a barrel all year if you don't give him an extension. If he has a banger year, he opts out and goes into free agency. We won't have full bird rights after a year. If he sucks or dies, he opts in and puts 63 million of more or less dead space on our cap while he's 35 and busted.

It's intriguing because he's "Anthony Davis", but with Scottie (24), RJ (25), IQ (26), CMB (20), Jakobe (21) all in house and worth moving forward with, I don't think we need to rush like this. Another incremental improvement (and cap de risking) from getting good value on a Ingram + Jake package (Sabonis or MPJ are the two guys most likely on the market that I'd target with that) puts us in a position to make that big swing in another 1-3 years.
 
MindzEye said:
He is, but he does a lot of stuff we could use and his biggest shortcoming by a lot as a big is rim protection. Something that a Scottie-CMB-Sabonis front court wouldn't struggle with overall, with Scottie and CMB being excellent help side shot blockers for their positions.

I mean, he shoots well enough that you have to defend it from 18+ feet so that's a huge improvement on Jake. He's an elite rebounder, which was one of our biggest weaknesses this year, elite ball mover/connector as a big so all of those sets we run with Jake up at the top for DHO's become something way more dangerous entirely. Efficient scorer without needing the ball a ton, gets a bunch of his points on 2nd chances. Not an iso guy, but he's a centre and would be replacing Jake who is obviously not an ISO guy either.



25 games a year for 60 million.

The concept of AD is obviously superior, but there's so much risk there. This isn't that "Kawhi for a chip" risk either. AD isn't the guy who was 1A/1B with Lebron 7 years ago on a title. He's a busted down 33 yr old version of that who Washington just paid way too much for.

His contract situation is legitimately terrifying:

26/27 - 58 million guaranteed
27/28 - 63 million dollar player option

He's 100% going to leverage any trade into a max extension. Now, I think there's a chance to play hardball though because if he goes to free agency he's not getting 3/200+ or anything like that, but now he's got you over a barrel all year if you don't give him an extension. If he has a banger year, he opts out and goes into free agency. We won't have full bird rights after a year. If he sucks or dies, he opts in and puts 63 million of more or less dead space on our cap while he's 35 and busted.

It's intriguing because he's "Anthony Davis", but with Scottie (24), RJ (25), IQ (26), CMB (20), Jakobe (21) all in house and worth moving forward with, I don't think we need to rush like this. Another incremental improvement (and cap de risking) from getting good value on a Ingram + Jake package (Sabonis or MPJ are the two guys most likely on the market that I'd target with that) puts us in a position to make that big swing in another 1-3 years.
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Someone on reddit did the legwork:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1q8sg6x/does_anthony_davis_have_the_greatest_injury_bag/

AD has had 51 unique injuries in his NBA career, for a total of 353 missed games. The average lottery pick plays about 400 games in their career.
 
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