Political Correctness

[worm]

Re: **William Nylander signs for 6 years, per Dreger**

History is repeating itself.

They used religion to control the masses behavior in this context. With the shift away from religion, aggression is on the rise again.

They now need to find another way to curb it.

is it?

 

[Habsy]

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i think it is the opposite actually

the human race has advanced so much because of it

The struggle is the distinct juxtaposition between logic and emotions imo.


Did the Vulcans have it right?

 

[zeke]

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crime and war are at historic lows.

any increased aggression in the world stems from.....er.....this very anti-PC crowd.

 

[Habsy]

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is it?

On the whole? Oh yeah.

 

[Habsy]

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crime and war are at historic lows.

any increased aggression in the world stems from.....er.....this very anti-PC crowd.

In your opinion.

 

[zeke]

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I still love the "Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays" thing.

Christians seem to not even realize that the whole "Happy Holidays" was designed for be inclusive for.......Jews. It was how stores included the large and relatively wealthy population of jewish customers into their christmas season. certainly not to do with the tiny population of muslims or other religions/cultures whose holidays didnt' even necessarily correspond with the same season.

but yeah, political correctness run amok or something.

 

[Montana]

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anti-PC.


anti-correct, politically.

 

[blkngldbabe]

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Fur sure, Habsy. How many people use it to be an ass, at will though? Doesn't really matter. Treating others poorly isn't a reflection of the people who are being targeted. That is what this is about, at its roots.

 

[Habsy]

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Fur sure, Habsy. How many people use it to be an ass, at will though? Doesn't really matter. Treating others poorly isn't a reflection of the people who are being targeted. That is what this is about, at its roots.

Laziness plays a big part as well. Many people do say things without really thinking. It’s not always intentional, in fact most of the time it’s just muscle memory for people. Until they stop being lazy and take a second to think about the word choice it wont fully stop. Also, the way people talk around friends is different than others. Until they stop joking around about it with friends it will continue to bleed into public discussion.

 

[blkngldbabe]

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Oh and Zeke, I posted this a few days ago on crackbook.

 

[Volcanologist]

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I think people forget how violent the world has been in the past. Not too long ago we used to gather in the town square for a good wholesome drawing and quartering.

 

[Habsy]

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I don’t forget the brutality at all. What contemporary people tend to miss is the volume of it today due to population. Look at the millions in Syria alone. Humans have never seen this kind of volume before. Is drawn/quarter really worse than using chlorine gas on tens of thousands?

 

[BG]

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I mean, it IS about date rape. like scarily blatantly about date rape.

Not saying I agree, but I just read this today on imgur:

bigbutterandeggman
Hi there! Former English nerd/teacher here. Also a big fan of jazz of the 30s and 40s.

So. Here’s the thing. Given a cursory glance and applying today’s worldview to the song, yes, you’re right, it absolutely *sounds* like a rape anthem.

BUT! Let’s look closer!

“Hey what’s in this drink” was a stock joke at the time, and the punchline was invariably that there’s actually pretty much nothing in the drink, not even a significant amount of alcohol.

See, this woman is staying late, unchaperoned, at a dude’s house. In the 1940’s, that’s the kind of thing Good Girls aren’t supposed to do — and she wants people to think she’s a good girl. The woman in the song says outright, multiple times, that what other people will think of her staying is what she’s really concerned about: “the neighbors might think,” “my maiden aunt’s mind is vicious,” “there’s bound to be talk tomorrow.” But she’s having a really good time, and she wants to stay, and so she is excusing her uncharacteristically bold behavior (either to the guy or to herself) by blaming it on the drink — unaware that the drink is actually really weak, maybe not even alcoholic at all. That’s the joke. That is the standard joke that’s going on when a woman in media from the early-to-mid 20th century says “hey, what’s in this drink?” It is not a joke about how she’s drunk and about to be raped. It’s a joke about how she’s perfectly sober and about to have awesome consensual sex and use the drink for plausible deniability because she’s living in a society where women aren’t supposed to have sexual agency.

Basically, the song only makes sense in the context of a society in which women are expected to reject men’s advances whether they actually want to or not, and therefore it’s normal and expected for a lady’s gentleman companion to pressure her despite her protests, because he knows she would have to say that whether or not she meant it, and if she really wants to stay she won’t be able to justify doing so unless he offers her an excuse other than “I’m staying because I want to.” (That’s the main theme of the man’s lines in the song, suggesting excuses she can use when people ask later why she spent the night at his house: it was so cold out, there were no cabs available, he simply insisted because he was concerned about my safety in such awful weather, it was perfectly innocent and definitely not about sex at all!) In this particular case, he’s pretty clearly right, because the woman has a voice, and she’s using it to give all the culturally-understood signals that she actually does want to stay but can’t say so. She states explicitly that she’s resisting because she’s supposed to, not because she wants to: “I ought to say no no no…” She states explicitly that she’s just putting up a token resistance so she’ll be able to claim later that she did what’s expected of a decent woman in this situation: “at least I’m gonna say that I tried.” And at the end of the song they’re singing together, in harmony, because they’re both on the same page and they have been all along.

So it’s not actually a song about rape - in fact it’s a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so. But it’s also, at the same time, one of the best illustrations of rape culture that pop culture has ever produced. It’s a song about a society where women aren’t allowed to say yes…which happens to mean it’s also a society where women don’t have a clear and unambiguous way to say no.

 

[LeafGm]

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Not saying I agree, but I just read this today on imgur:

That seems like a pretty good analysis of the song, and kind of fits the vibe I got from the lyrics.

Not about "date rape" when you take in the context in which it was written, but at the same time it's a horribly dated song who's underlying theme is that it's very, very naughty for an unmarried young woman to be having sex.

The point about it being from a society where women aren't allowed to say "yes", and thus have no clear way of saying "no" is also well made, IMO.

Either way, it's probably about time that either the song itself or the lyrics should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

 

[Habsy]

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Yeah context is key. I could see how contemporary society doesn’t like it and that’s okay but when it was written it didn’t sound like a date rape song.

 

[Artnes]

**William Nylander signs for 6 years, per Dreger**

That seems like a pretty good analysis of the song, and kind of fits the vibe I got from the lyrics.

Not about "date rape" when you take in the context in which it was written, but at the same time it's a horribly dated song who's underlying theme is that it's very, very naughty for an unmarried young woman to be having sex.

The point about it being from a society where women aren't allowed to say "yes", and thus have no clear way of saying "no" is also well made, IMO.

Either way, it's probably about time that either the song itself or the lyrics should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

This could apply to a lot of music, tv and movies that has been released in the last 70 years

Some content is blatantly obvious but It’s a slippery slope if you start really digging into this issue

 

[LeafGm]

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This could apply to a lot of music, tv and movies that has been released in the last 70 years

Some content is blatantly obvious but It’s a slippery slope if you start really digging into this issue

I think we've already started to go down that slippery slope.

For example, growing up, I absolutely loved the Sean Connery James Bond movies. But then you go back, watch "Goldfinger", see a scene where Bond literally beats up and rapes a lesbian in a barn, with romantic music hitting a crescendo as he forces her to the ground...and you kind of stop and think, what the **** am I watching here?

It's not always worth hanging on to things just because they look good when you view them through the rosy lens of childhood nostalgia.

 

[uncus]

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Clint Eastwood in high plains drifter. Rapes the woman in the barn.
Billy Jack was another one.

 

[Artnes]

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Not saying I agree, but I just read this today on imgur:

So its offensive but the people who got offended did so for all the wrong reasons

You know the first lyric that was latched on to was what's in that drink?

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[Habspatrol]

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fyi babe you're the reason why i've stopped using the word.

thanks for making me better.

Ditto.

I didn't use it to refer to anyone with a disability so I thought it was all cool and I was being adequately sensitive. Thanks to Babe, I realized that I was still being inappropriate.

I've become fairly PC over the years. I used to think that people were too sensitive and they needed to "grow a pair" or "pull up their panties." Then one day I realized that I don't get to decide how people feel about the words I say. Now I guess if I'm okay offending people, then I'll say whatever I want and too bad for them. That's my prerogative. However, if I want to show people the respect that I expect, then I should avoid offending people if possible. That said, it's going to happen, cause you just never know what could offend someone who's hypersensitive. I just avoid things that I know offend a lot of people.