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The Mother****ing Off Season Thread

Also was willing to throw $250 mill into a dying third tier football league and paid $4 mill for a late first. Lets be real. Tom Dundon has the resources to not be pushed around financially.

He may be frugal, but he's not poor. And he's willing to spend.

No one is losing an elite young player over an $8.5-9 million AAV offer sheet due to the contract structure. Thats a good contract. They'd thank us.
 
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MindzEye said:
So what's your drop dead number? When do you walk and take the picks?
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I don’t think you ever just take the picks. Our team gets crippled by losing Marner without adding equal talent somehow.

But what’s the number where I say I just can’t, sorry? Depends on term of course, but if he wants more than $11m, that’s where it stops. Painful to do anything in the high 10s, but probably necessary.

Good news is, I don’t think any team offers him enough to give up those picks, and we’ll pay him anything under that amount. So it’s just a matter of time. And I think Mitch wants to play. He’s not made to hold out.
 
Elliotte also said that the leafs are interested in Zucker and have been chasing him for a long time. Makes sense in that he's an analytics darling and plays for a real dumb GM that may trade him for pennies. Doesn't make sense in that.. how the **** do they fit him?

Spurgeon is a guy I'd want to pluck out of there. I guess .. why not both? Would be hard to make it work but I hear their GM likes size. Mason marchment is available?
 
I hate any plan that sees Nylander go to the third line. It’s a waste of his talents.

We need to be a three line team, stacked and heavy on the first two, the third being more of a grindy checking line with offensive talent. And the fourth line just a time killer to rest the others.
 
I still really think people are over thinking the upgrade on the blueline....

Hainsey was bad (in his role) and Zaitsev was borderline unplayable in any role. Jake was simple Jake for most of the year and then injured Jake for the last few months. Starting from a platform of Rielly-Muzzin-Dermott-Sandin, it really isn't hard to find bodies that are an improvement over Hainsey-Zaitsev, especially with Zaitsev likely to get flipped for a RHD that is much better analytically but doesn't play mean, or long, or like a man or whatever other bullshit some of these people use to determine whether a guy can play the position or not.

Is it entirely ideal? No, adding something like Letang would be wonderful, but we can't afford to trade from the forward group without getting equal parts creative and lucky. We also don't have any 1sts or spare top prospects kicking around. We're probably better off biting the bullet, living with the growing pains, and running with some kids. Sandin & Lilly are probably ready and Bracco is knocking on the door. Our development staff has done a fantastic job moving kids through the assembly line, let's see what they can do with another 6-8 months of time on Bracco, Korshkov, Engvall, Sandin, Lilly, Kivahalme, Duszak, Lindgren, Borgman, Rosen, & Hollowell.
 
MindzEye said:
I still really think people are over thinking the upgrade on the blueline....

Hainsey was bad (in his role) and Zaitsev was borderline unplayable in any role. Jake was simple Jake for most of the year and then injured Jake for the last few months. Starting from a platform of Rielly-Muzzin-Dermott-Sandin, it really isn't hard to find bodies that are an improvement over Hainsey-Zaitsev, especially with Zaitsev likely to get flipped for a RHD that is much better analytically but doesn't play mean, or long, or like a man or whatever other bullshit some of these people use to determine whether a guy can play the position or not.

Is it entirely ideal? No, adding something like Letang would be wonderful, but we can't afford to trade from the forward group without getting equal parts creative and lucky. We also don't have any 1sts or spare top prospects kicking around. We're probably better off biting the bullet, living with the growing pains, and running with some kids. Sandin & Lilly are probably ready and Bracco is knocking on the door. Our development staff has done a fantastic job moving kids through the assembly line, let's see what they can do with another 6-8 months of time on Bracco, Korshkov, Engvall, Sandin, Lilly, Kivahalme, Duszak, Lindgren, Borgman, Rosen, & Hollowell.
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Don't think Sandin or Lily play for the big squad this year. Dubas has already mentioned he is looking to upgrade on the blueline so not rush the kids and help them get more seasoning. So we are basically starting with Rielly, Muzzin and Dermott with 3 holes to fill. I assume Rosen has a spot, which makes it 4. After that it's a crapshoot but getting another established guy or two would be necessary if we have serious cup aspirations.
 
We have a good #1D. We have a good #2D.

Dermott I think could be a good #3D this year but I wish zaitsev's 4.5m was going to a good #3D instead.

And I'm more than happy with our bottom pair choices.
 
leaffan2005 said:
Don't think Sandin or Lily play for the big squad this year. Dubas has already mentioned he is looking to upgrade on the blueline so not rush the kids and help them get more seasoning. So we are basically starting with Rielly, Muzzin and Dermott with 3 holes to fill. I assume Rosen has a spot, which makes it 4. After that it's a crapshoot but getting another established guy or two would be necessary if we have serious cup aspirations.
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It's dumb. We see our biggest rivals like Boston and tampa benefit from playing their 19-20yr old dmen to great effect but for some reason we're not allowed to.
 
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