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hockeylover said:
Dion Phaneuf is white. And hated.

I don't see how that helps your case.
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I never said only black people are hated.

I'm pointing out that you feel that players are disliked for reasons beyond their play... Like Dion is hated merely for being a Leaf.
 
mbow30 said:
i'm curious to see if carlyle gets a nom for the jack adams.

if he doesn't then it just goes to show what a joke the toronto -- and entire -- hockey media is.

because basically nobody predicted the leafs to make the playoffs, let alone finish comfortably in fifth and with a shot at home ice heading into the final week of the season.
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Who should he beat out for it then?

Therien? He was in the same position but won the division.

Boudreau? Also in the same position and also won his division.

MacLean? No one gave the Sens a chance without Spezza, Michalek & Karlsson (and with Anderson also missing a good portion of the year), not even the most optimistic Sens fan, but he finished one point back of the Leafs and in the playoffs.

Oates? He turned around a bad Capitals team and made them the hottest team down the stretch.

Quinneville? He just coached the best team in the league and it wasn't close. While they were expected to contend, no one thought they'd be as dominant as they were.

There are just too many good candidates in this partial season for Carlyle to get a nod.
 
blkngldbabe said:
Depends in how far the team goes too, no? If he coaches them deep into the playoffs would that out him above the others?
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Nope. The Conn Smythe trophy is the only playoff award. For the rest, only the regular season is taken into consideration.
 
Habspatrol said:
I never said only black people are hated.

I'm pointing out that you feel that players are disliked for reasons beyond their play... Like Dion is hated merely for being a Leaf.
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No one said they weren't. PK is disliked because he is a loud mouth jerk. That has nothing to do with his play.
 
Habspatrol said:
I never said only black people are hated.

I'm pointing out that you feel that players are disliked for reasons beyond their play... Like Dion is hated merely for being a Leaf.
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Some people might actually hate PK for being black, that's true. Just like some idiots throw bananas at black players and some idiots sucker punch Leaf fans in stairwells.

Acting like the media is only talking about PK screaming and swearing at his teammate while playing in one of the biggest media markets in hockey because he's black is just dumb though. This was my point all along. He looked like an idiot and a player screaming at his teammate would be talked about for days in any major NHL market, ESPECIALLY Montreal and Toronto. Black or white.

I don't think the MSM is just being racist, I think it's a story. You refused to discuss this any further yesterday and then bring it up in a totally unrelated topic, so that's all I have to say on the matter.
 
hockeylover said:
Some people might actually hate PK for being black, that's true. Just like some idiots throw bananas at black players and some idiots sucker punch Leaf fans in stairwells.

Acting like the media is only talking about PK screaming and swearing at his teammate while playing in one of the biggest media markets in hockey because he's black is just dumb though. This was my point all along. He looked like an idiot and a player screaming at his teammate would be talked about for days in any major NHL market, ESPECIALLY Montreal and Toronto. Black or white.

I don't think the MSM is just being racist, I think it's a story. You refused to discuss this any further yesterday and then bring it up in a totally unrelated topic, so that's all I have to say on the matter.
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That's true it's my fault for bringing it up. I apologize for that cause we did beat that to death. I'll forget about Subban.

I should have stuck with the statement you made... Why do you believe that "Dion will never win a Norris as long as he plays for the Leafs?"
 
Very few star players get credit in Toronto.

It is funny that almost everyone picked the Leafs to finish in the lottery or close to it prior to the season, which they were obviously wrong about. Yet nobody actually stops to think how they ended up top 10 in the league instead. There's gotta be pretty big reasons why.
 
Kessel is one dimensional. Phaneuf can't play defense. Reimer has no rebound control and a poor glove hand. Kadri is lucky. This stuff is repeated over and over regardless of whether the Leafs win or lose and regardless of what type of numbers these guys put up.

Then, depth guys like McClement and Fraser get credit for the Leafs massive improvement.

Kessel, Phaneuf, Kadri and Reimer were all top players at their positions this year. That's why the Leafs were successful.
 
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BlackRedGold said:
Who should he beat out for it then?

Therien? He was in the same position but won the division.

Boudreau? Also in the same position and also won his division.

MacLean? No one gave the Sens a chance without Spezza, Michalek & Karlsson (and with Anderson also missing a good portion of the year), not even the most optimistic Sens fan, but he finished one point back of the Leafs and in the playoffs.

Oates? He turned around a bad Capitals team and made them the hottest team down the stretch.

Quinneville? He just coached the best team in the league and it wasn't close. While they were expected to contend, no one thought they'd be as dominant as they were.

There are just too many good candidates in this partial season for Carlyle to get a nod.
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why do their accomplishments trump carlyle's?

that's bs.

i agree. there are a lot of good candidates.

carlyle is right up there with them.

and when you consider the fact that his team was basically the only team of that group basically unanimously picked to miss the playoffs... it's pretty hard to square him not being one of the leading candidates, given that the very people who predicted the leafs' demise are the same people voting on the award.
 
hockeylover said:
Some people might actually hate PK for being black, that's true. Just like some idiots throw bananas at black players and some idiots sucker punch Leaf fans in stairwells.

Acting like the media is only talking about PK screaming and swearing at his teammate while playing in one of the biggest media markets in hockey because he's black is just dumb though. This was my point all along. He looked like an idiot and a player screaming at his teammate would be talked about for days in any major NHL market, ESPECIALLY Montreal and Toronto. Black or white.

I don't think the MSM is just being racist, I think it's a story. You refused to discuss this any further yesterday and then bring it up in a totally unrelated topic, so that's all I have to say on the matter.
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It is a trickle effect.

50% cause he is a prick
25% because he is a hab (big market)
15% because he is good
10% cause he is black

now with that 10% it isnt JUST because he is black... being black makes him stick out more so people focus on him and sure a few racists in there (there is a reason Pang said white way...not that I think he is racist but it is on peoples minds that he is black)...and it snowballs

it is human nature...if you hate your boss you only notice the dumb/mean things they do and ignore the good things...etc

if gallagher and subban switch incidents we would still be talking about subban.....both pricks, both habs, both good...

i deal with this type of stuff in the work palce all the time...i find it hard to believe it isnt true in the NHL
 
PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Very few star players get credit in Toronto.

It is funny that almost everyone picked the Leafs to finish in the lottery or close to it prior to the season, which they were obviously wrong about. Yet nobody actually stops to think how they ended up top 10 in the league instead. There's gotta be pretty big reasons why.
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the montreal vs leafs media is funny

if the leafs are doing well they are crap
if the leafs are doing bad they are crap

if the habs are doing well they are not french enough and gossip!
if the habs are doing bad they are not french enough and gossip!
 
mbow30 said:
why do their accomplishments trump carlyle's?

that's bs.

i agree. there are a lot of good candidates.

carlyle is right up there with them.

and when you consider the fact that his team was basically the only team of that group basically unanimously picked to miss the playoffs... it's pretty hard to square him not being one of the leading candidates, given that the very people who predicted the leafs' demise are the same people voting on the award.
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The habs were a good team last year (goals for and against)...well not a last place team in terms of talent... so IMO that takes away from Therrien.
 
The Montreal media actually gives some credit though. Price is highly regarded. PK was nominated for the Norris. They go a little overboard with the language thing, but if you play well, you will be recognized.

In Toronto, that just isn't the case. We've had articles written how Kessel has to be traded. How the Leafs need to trade for Luongo. Crazy stuff.
 
yep, habs players have no trouble getting credit - usually more credit than they deserve.

Price, Markov, Subban, Plekanec, Gallagher, etc. etc.
 
There's been zero buzz about Reimer, Phaneuf, Kessel, Randy for any award. Not saying they should win, but you'd think someone would mention them in the conservation. Always silent. Like the Leafs season never happened.
 
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