OT: The News Thread

[voyager]

And I'm suppose to answer that? With mine is bigger then yours banter? I'll guarantee that I would NOT get out of the car to get into a wrestling match with a guy wielding a meat cleaver........and I would guarantee that he would be be wearing a body panel.

There is no conceivable excuse someone chopping away at another human being with a meat cleaver. NONE. So there is no ambiguity of what is happening. Even if the guy just raped his mother, the guy chopping away is a clear and unmistakable danger. So using force is justified.

Of course, not being there and writing about it is easy. On the other hand, some of us have different mind sets of what to do.

It's easy to talk big when you're sitting behind a computer screen.

I can't speak for the people who were there as for why they chose to stay away, which was the smart move for what it's worth.

Though from experience, the guys who say they would have done X are generally the ones who do **** all when a real situation presets its self. It's nothing against them, and really we're all better off if they don't attempt to be heroes as they generally just make themselves another victim that I have to deal with after the fact.

 

[HabsAddict]

yeah, that's what was on the tape we saw.

not nearly as in depth as many other "lucid" manifestos of psychos who have murdered far many more people than this guy did.


but again, what's your angle here?

The man is a criminal, will be tried, and will go to jail for a long time.

what do you want us to do in response? go to war against all muslim countries? pull out of all wars against muslim countries? ban people's personal beliefs? profile and limit the rights of muslims?

What "we" want? Stop trying to act as their apologist. Like obami yelping "man made disaster" when terrorist strike. Stop referring to Islam as "only a religion" when it has clear political objectives and motivations.

In other words, stop being a useful idiot.

 

[zeke]

I don't know what the answer is - I'm not a rights lawyer, or a specialist in public policy. But it's clear as day that SOMETHING has to be done.

A man was hacked to death in the streets of England in the name of Allah.

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

what if he had hacked a guy to death in the streets of england in the name of anti-government extremism? or in the name of liberating Ireland? (and yes, both these reasons have been used for killings before)

what "something" are you talking about?

 

[worm]

"Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest" Francois Laignelot -1793

 

[corksens]

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

what if he had hacked a guy to death in the streets of england in the name of anti-government extremism? or in the name of liberating Ireland? (and yes, both these reasons have been used for killings before)

what "something" are you talking about?

So you're response is "nothing"? Move on, hope for the best?

 

[HabsAddict]

It's easy to talk big when you're sitting behind a computer screen.

I can't speak for the people who were there as for why they chose to stay away, which was the smart move for what it's worth.

Though from experience, the guys who say they would have done X are generally the ones who do **** all when a real situation presets its self. It's nothing against them, and really we're all better off if they don't attempt to be heroes as they generally just make themselves another victim that I have to deal with after the fact.

Your "experience" counts for a hill of beans and a bowl of piss. So does your opinion of what others "should" do.

I have seen plenty of people in riots (whatever the justification, fact is, you put your head on the line), in emergency situations (climb down a rock face after a car went off a cliff) to have a completely different opinion. Not everybody will cower in a corner and whine.....or whine about what someone else "should do".

 

[zeke]

What "we" want? Stop trying to act as their apologist. Like obami yelping "man made disaster" when terrorist strike. Stop referring to Islam as "only a religion" when it has clear political objectives and motivated.

In other words, stop being a useful idiot.

If you think it is apologizing to not call all muslims terrorists, or not call all christians child molesters, then yes, I'm an apologist.

 

[zeke]

So you're response is "nothing"? Move on, hope for the best?

My response is try him, convict him, and stop making stupid wars in the middle east.

what's your response? "all muslims must go"?

 

[voyager]

Your "experience" counts for a hill of beans and a bowl of piss. So does your opinion of what others "should" do.

I have seen plenty of people in riots (whatever the justification, fact is, you put your head on the line), in emergency situations (climb down a rock face after a car went off a cliff) to have a completely different opinion. Not everybody will cower in a corner and whine.....or whine about what someone else "should do".

sure thing, bud. If it gets you hard to think about yourself as a hero, by all means do it. Enjoy the whack session.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

what if he had hacked a guy to death in the streets of england in the name of anti-government extremism? or in the name of liberating Ireland? (and yes, both these reasons have been used for killings before)

what "something" are you talking about?

Still a terrorist and still doing it for POLITICAL reasons, not religion. So people like you need to stop using "freedom of religion" as their cover.

A radical mosque surveyed for terrorism is not "government snooping on Islam religion", it's government investigating an extremist political movement. No different from you justifying surveying a far, far left or right group.

 

[zeke]

Still a terrorist and still doing it for POLITICAL reasons, not religion. So people like you need to stop using "freedom of religion" as their cover.

A radical mosque surveyed for terrorism is not "government snooping on Islam religion", it's government investigating an extremist political movement. No different from you justifying surveying a far, far left or right group.

If there are good reasons to believe that any specific organization, religious or otherwise, is involved in criminal activity, then of course they should be under surveillance.

simply being muslim, though, is not a good reason.

just like simply being a catholic is not a good reason to be under police surveillance under suspicion of child molestation.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

what if he had hacked a guy to death in the streets of england in the name of anti-government extremism? or in the name of liberating Ireland? (and yes, both these reasons have been used for killings before)

what "something" are you talking about?

IRA terrorism was just as vicious and something to be vehemently opposed to as Islamic terrorism. But the former is dead for all intents and purposes while the latter is a current threat to civil society in all developed nations.

 

[zeke]

IRA terrorism was just as vicious and something to be vehemently opposed to as Islamic terrorism. But the former is dead for all intents and purposes while the latter is a current threat to civil society in all developed nations.

and how was it ended?

by going to war against catholicism?

 

[JaysCyYoung]

sure thing, bud. If it gets you hard to think about yourself as a hero, by all means do it. Enjoy the whack session.

I think you're actually doing a fair amount of projecting in this thread. Not really necessarily to be talking down to other posters like that.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

and how was it ended?

The Catholics realized that they couldn't bomb the Protestant majority into submission and entered into the Good Friday Agreements.

 

[HabsAddict]

If you think it is apologizing to not call all muslims terrorists, or not call all christians child molesters, then yes, I'm an apologist.

Even when you try to spin, you show the folly of your thinking. Child molesters have no agenda other then their own craziness. Those who carry out these acts are not doing it in isolation, they are doing for a "greater" cause, which is their religion and it's objectives. Which part of "Islam iis not only a religion, but it has political and social objectives" are you missing?

 

[zeke]

so it wasn't ended by a war against catholicism?

 

[JaysCyYoung]

so it wasn't ended by a war against catholicism?

There was never a war on Catholicism in the first place.

 

[zeke]

why not? they were catholic terrorists. should have gone to war against catholicism.

 

[zeke]

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