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The real solution is to ban hateful ideologies that only engender extremist behaviour in their followers, to the point that they attack the natives of a country on their own soil over perceived wrongs.
 
yes, islam is the only religion that people have done horrific things in the name of, and all muslims are extremists.

fair enough.

so describe to me the process of banning Islam.
 
zeke said:
If there are good reasons to believe that any specific organization, religious or otherwise, is involved in criminal activity, then of course they should be under surveillance.

simply being muslim, though, is not a good reason.

just like simply being a catholic is not a good reason to be under police surveillance under suspicion of child molestation.
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YOU made the connection between terrorist and child molesters. Which is asinine at best.

Regardless of the side issue....again, you want to define it as "specific organizations" while sidestepping that in fact, the Islam is politically driven.

As for Muslim, no, I'm not advocating spying on my Muslim neighbor three houses down form me. I'm advocating watching Muslim groups or individuals that use "freedom of religion" and "freedom of speech" to cover political and social agendas which far too often, inflame or advocate violence.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
The real solution is to ban hateful ideologies that only engender extremist behaviour in their followers, to the point that they attack the natives of a country on their own soil over perceived wrongs.
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Another way of putting it....lift the legal and social protection of "freedom of religion" to any religion that has political attachments.
 
zeke said:
yes, islam is the only religion that people have done horrific things in the name of, and all muslims are extremists.

fair enough.

so describe to me the process of banning Islam.
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Who said "banning Islam" as a religion? Simply contain or curtail the political aspirations. On ALL religions.

We ARE a secular state. What we need to do is re-affirm legally that there is no room for religious political aspirations of ANY religion.
 
HabsAddict said:
YOU made the connection between terrorist and child molesters. Which is asinine at best.

Regardless of the side issue....again, you want to define it as "specific organizations" while sidestepping that in fact, the Islam is politically driven.

As for Muslim, no, I'm not advocating spying on my Muslim neighbor three houses down form me. I'm advocating watching Muslim groups or individuals that use "freedom of religion" and "freedom of speech" to cover political and social agendas which far too often, inflame or advocate violence.
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any group suspected of illegal activities is under surveillance, religious or otherwise.

as for "Islam being politically driven", that's just a useless generalization. most muslims could give a flying **** about political conquest.
 
well, good news for you guys, seems you'll be getting what you want....

Riyaad Minty @Riy
"Muslims" is trending in San Francisco at the moment - clicked on it, and the related phrases are VERY disturbing: pic.twitter.com/jurnKEG16o

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JaysCyYoung said:
Absolutely.

Of course I think we all know the Jewish content of the Israeli situation is why that gets attention over the situation where the Islamic state is the oppressor.

All the closet anti-semnites come out in droves when it's the former yet are no where to be seen when a similar situation involving non-Muslims happens to be happening.
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Possibly but one could also say that anti-islam/muslims are out in full force when a muslim does something but defend Israel to the death no matter what that country does.

Hypocrisy cuts both ways.
 
Interesting to hear something like this from the new pope:

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of ​​possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html
 
hockeylover said:
Interesting to hear something like this from the new pope:

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of ​​possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html
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This guy, is completely useful. Exactly what the Catholic church needed. I've resigned myself to the fact that I will never draw a breath on a planet where it doesn't exist...so if it has to, not being so ****ing regressive would be a nice start. Now, while this is a nice gesture, get to firing pedos out of a papal cannon, and let africans **** with condoms please.
 
hockeylover said:
Interesting to hear something like this from the new pope:

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains, “were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of ​​possessing the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.” “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said, “The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html
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Following the teachings of Jesus....who would have guessing.
 
http://torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6831&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

The Court Services unit commander will be a senior adviser to the International Police Co-ordination Board in Kabul.

A Service member for the last 33 years, Miller joins S/Sgt. Kim O’Toole, Det. Tyrone Hilton and Consts. Mike Byers and Tracy Flumian who will be deployed to Afghanistan next month.

This will be Byers’ second overseas deployment. A decade ago, he spent nine months in East Timor as part of a United Nations-mandated mission.

The veteran officer, who investigated a police-related homicide for the first three months before being assigned to help the military set up an investigative unit, is looking forward to the upcoming assignment.

“In East Timor, we lived in a community with no running water or electricity,” said Byers, who recently returned to the Marine Unit after spending 42 months as an instructor at the Ontario Police College.

“We had to find our own food and we could use the internet for just an hour daily because that was all the diesel there was to run the generator. Phone calls back home were also limited at the time to just five five minutes every week.

“In Afghanistan, you live in a bed and you are fed, internet service has improved and we will have access to Skype. Things are going to be a bit different than the last time when I was overseas.”

Despite the inconvenience, Byers said he enjoyed his stint in East Timor and is looking forward to serving in Afghanistan.

“It was amazing from the standpoint that I knew I was helping to make a difference,” said Byers, who has worked at 22 and 23 Division and with the Traffic, Homicide, Hold-Up and Public Order Units during his 34 years on the job.

“That’s the reason that I sought the approval of my wife of 28 years and my two grown children to sign up for Afghanistan.”
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My bro far right...pretty damn scared and proud at the same time.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
The real solution is to ban hateful ideologies that only engender extremist behaviour in their followers, to the point that they attack the natives of a country on their own soil over perceived wrongs.
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Angry people will always find a cause to justify their calculated violence. It's only when you make it costly (and encourage political enfranchisement) to act upon a narrative of grievance that you see rational people back away from real physical violence. The TeaBaggers might have strident views, but they are too comfortable in their lives, on their motorized scooters at the IHOP, to blow themselves up. On the other hand, the average Ahmed on the Arab street is poor and has had his views repressed and manipulated for years. And now we have to deal cynical masses who can't possibly trust the authorities, but play along (blaming Americans and Jews) because domestic political activity can cause a visit from the police at 3 am. Let's see if Al Jazeera and social media change the dynamic... who knows.

There is, of course, little one can do about the mentally ill.
 
Because it's irrelevant as to why he was murdered?

And you'll notice that in one of the photographs listed he's actually breaking up a fight between two kids.
 
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