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Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15

You claimed the Sens run isn't sustainable. We AGREED
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Ah, that's what you and your buddy call niggling over statistics that you clearly don't ****ing understand for 3 pages? Agreeing?

Interesting interpretation of the discussion to this point, can't say that it's a surprising spin on it though.

but pointed out that the team was playing better before the streak even began and have been winning even when the goaltending was average during the streak. You unintentionally provided the evidence to support our position.
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Was never part of my original argument. An argument I've clarified a few times now. The streak started in the middle of February, not the beginning of January and the streak has been largely luck driven with little improvement in actual team play. Yes, the numbers showed that the Sens played better than their record suggested in January, and they deserved better.


You then got your panties in a knot and started building s strawman where any Sens poster said the streak was indicative of the projections going forward.
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Again, an extremely interesting, but unsurprising interpretation of the argument.

You just can't wrap your biased head around the Sens progress and want to cling to the "garbage" bin you had them in earlier in the season.
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This was actually part of my point....you call it progress, I call it a streak. The numbers absolutely suggest that it's based on trends that are highly unlikely to continue in the future.

Sorry, but it's not going to play.
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It hurts my brain that they let you teach anything to other human beings.
 
corksens said:
Yea, why bother including the (just turned) 20 year old first round pick.

I mean hell, the guy only plays 12 minutes a game in his first pro season.
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Did I, or did I not only do the top 9's for the 2 teams? Did I misrepresent your top 9 by not including Lazar?
 
MindzEye said:
Did I, or did I not only do the top 9's for the 2 teams? Did I misrepresent your top 9 by not including Lazar?
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Your intention was obvious.

That Leafs squad was all the Leafs organization had. Excluding Lazar makes it seem like the Sens have no other potentially elite players coming up.

Then when you for called out you called him (and stone) mid-level. Adorable stuff.
 
corksens said:
Price missed one game.

Tell us more about how the face off was on the wrong side, count. We're all dying to hear it.
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you conveniently forgot he left at the end of reg in Game 4 and Budaj played the all important OT, and gave Turris a crappy goal which basically gave you the series.
 
Man, the guys here have the Sens fans pegged. Reading this tripe and it reeks of little brother trying to show he's a man now.
 
corksens said:
Your intention was obvious.

That Leafs squad was all the Leafs organization had.
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You chastise me for omitting Lazar, but then you omit Morgan Rielly?


Excluding Lazar makes it seem like the Sens have no other potentially elite players coming up.
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I omitted him, because like Rielly, he wasn't a big part of either team.

Then when you for called out you called him (and stone) mid-level. Adorable stuff.
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Mid level, as in non elite.

Remember, I also referred to Kadri, JVR, Gardiner, etc as mid level.

**** me you people are sensitive
 
So the Sens are only lucky and haven't improved...gotcha.

You do realize that when Hammond cools off, they have a starting goalie with a .923 waiting in the wings.

Funny that you are so quick to attack the scoring chances differential stat that shows the Sens nears the top of the league, yet marry yourself to the CF stat like the holy grail.
Let's take a look at CF ( which shows the Sens as ~100 point playoff team during their "lucky" streak) and see how close a relationship it has to actual results.
#1 CF team in the league? LA Kings...you know that team not in the playoffs and below the Sens in the league standings.
7th best CF, Carolina Hurricanes...you know that team currently 26th overall in the standings and fighting it out with the mighty Leafs for draft position.

Where do the President's trophy winning NYR rank? 20th, behind the Sens.
Let's just say using that stat to predict future success is a fools game (as proved by your use of it)

The Number One PDO team in the nhl...NYR by a healthy margin at 102. I must have missed your posts describing their whole season as luck driven....

You just can't handle the fact that the Sens turned a corner when they changed coaches and inserted the young guns into the line up.

Currently constructed, they are a playoff level team while being one of the youngest and cheapest teams in the NHL. They have shown great character and resiliency during this season, in stark contrast to your Leafs, so I get why you are so jealous. Just stop pretending your current criticism is backed by solid predictors and is fueled by anything but envy and hatred.
 
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corksens said:
Poorly to non-existent.

I come here to discuss more than just standings. I feel like you can get all the hockey discussion you would need on NHL.com.

You have no interest in analyzing games, from what I can tell.
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Not sure why you think its cool to insult the mods around here. Just because HP doesn't ban who you want doesn't mean he isn't active. Crybaby.
 
MindzEye said:
You chastise me for omitting Lazar, but then you omit Morgan Rielly?




I omitted him, because like Rielly, he wasn't a big part of either team.



Mid level, as in non elite.

Remember, I also referred to Kadri, JVR, Gardiner, etc as mid level.

**** me you people are sensitive
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Was O'Rielly even drafted at that time? Lazar is on the team currently.
 
For the record, as much as I often disagree with Mindz, I do applaud his ability to actually formulate an argument.

Too many fans (mostly Habs) can't get through a post without making a "sens are irrelevant", "lil bro", or "banner" joke. I know that it's largely in response to one or two posters who you guys feel troll, but it's alittle disappointing when I do want to talk puck.
 
Volcanologist said:
So which one is Mike Bossy this time, Stone or Lazar?
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Exhibit A.

Instead of maybe arguing why Karlsson isn't the best defenseman in the game (as you stated a few pages ago) you come back with a coy one-liner about a comparison one poster made a decade ago.

The level of discourse from most posters here lately seems to be at an all time low.
 
Leafin' said:
There is too much of that for me to respond.

The Leafs have a lot of individual talent. Something is fundamentally wrong with this team. Maybe the players don't like eachother. Maybe there are groups of divide in the locker room. If we break down player by player the Leafs might have "better" players than Ottawa but that group has shown a lot more fight than ours. I don't care about better players i care about better team. W - L - OTL is the one statistic that matters. Where Ottawa has seen growth from the season before where they moved their captain and best forward in Spezza. The Leafs have regressed while allegedly being more mature with age. The draft is a crap shoot so saying that we are better off because we have the 5th pick over the 13th or 14th is nonsense. Players bust all over the draft.

At this point i really do not know what management can do to make this team better. Tearing down and stripping the team to me is not a way a team should be built. Where we really need to see an organizational shift is at the draft table. I've said it before but to get better we need to draft better than Biggs, Devane, Ross etc.
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To me this isn't even a talent issue, a team that has the likes of JVR/Kessel/Kadri/Rielly/Phaneuf/Bernier(yes even him)/Gardiner etc should not be a lottery team or anywhere close to it, in terms of talent at the very least they should be a bubble team. The problem is between the ears, the work ethic on this team is lousy and the much bigger problem is this team tends to fold whenever faced with pressure situation... case in point the 5 collapses over the past 4 seasons. Take Calgary and Winnipeg for example two teams not exactly riped with talent BUT what they do have going for them is a strong team work ethic, an ability to play well under high pressure situations and they buy into the coaches system... if those two teams can fight it out for a playoff spot then there is NO reason why we shouldn't be as well.

I agree that we need better drafting, if you look at our prospect pool outside of Nylander and Connor Brown upfront it's pretty bleak, on the blueline there's some decent pieces but nothing that stands out either. For the next few years, the Leafs need to focus on drafting skill (yes its a position of need), doesn't matter the position just draft the BPA at it, the even bigger thing is don't give up ANY picks as well as try to acquire as many going forward as possible.

If we stay on the right path... by that I mean drafting heavily, making smart picks, not overpaying on the open market and changing the culture of this team then I really see no reason why we can't be fighting for the playoffs in 2-3 years.
 
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