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Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15

corksens said:
Holy sh1t guys, you are overdoing this big time.

I understand sample sizes. We are talking about recent history...the Sens have been able to put up alot of goals on him. Is it indicative of Price's overall play? No. Does it give the Sens and their fans confidence that he's not some impregnable fortress.

I've already clearly stated that Price gets the edge, and that I pick him above the Sens goaltending.
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fair enough
 
Just so the numbers are out in the open

14/15: 2GP .887%
13/14: 4GP .889%
12/13: 3GP .944%
11/12: 6GP .950%



Which of course underlines the point that in such small samples it's entirely pointless to pick out one small group of games and claim it to be representative of something. The only argument against using older numbers than that to pump up the sample size is that it wasn't the same guys wearing the laundry...players score goals, laundry doesn't. But then you'd have to take a look at the players wearing the laundry who scored those goals on Price over this period where Sens fans are claiming to have his number...I've done that, and there's a bunch of guys who scored on Price who don't wear the laundry any more.
 
Habspatrol said:
I don't know it... wanted to see just how bad it was.
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This year, 1-1, .887, 3.02
Last year, 2-1-1, .889, 3.74
2 yrs ago, 2-0-1, .944, 1.58 (p-off 1-2, .894, 3.26)

So if you feel the playoffs was a turning point, he'd done poorly the last 10 games against Ottawa, yet still maintained roughly a .500 record.
 
Pronger84 said:
I think people are forgetting the most important stat of them all, head to head playoff record between the two clubs:

Ottawa's record vs Montreal: 4-1
Montreal's record vs Ottawa: 1-4
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The Leafs regularly lost the season series against Ottawa all of those years and we ended up slapping them in the playoffs.

This doesn't mean as much as you may think. I personally think Montreal beats Ottawa, and handily.
 
The Sens shooters are comfortable against Price going into the series. If he stands on his head for a couple of games, that will change.

No one is disputing the fact that Price is a fantastic goalie, just that the psychological edge he would have against most teams is not there vs the Sens. Habs fans know this and it is one of the biggest reasons they wanted no part of this match up.
 
Pronger84 said:
I think people are forgetting the most important stat of them all, head to head playoff record between the two clubs:

Ottawa's record vs Montreal: 4-1
Montreal's record vs Ottawa: 1-4
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If a one series sample size was what mattered most every team would either be undefeated in playoff series' against some teams and never won against others.
 
SENSible said:
The Sens shooters are comfortable against Price going into the series. If he stands on his head for a couple of games, that will change.

No one is disputing the fact that Price is a fantastic goalie, just that the psychological edge he would have against most teams is not there vs the Sens. Habs fans know this and it is one of the biggest reasons they wanted no part of this match up.
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If you're reducing your argument to a "psychological edge", well, that speaks for itself.
 
MindzEye said:
Just so the numbers are out in the open

14/15: 2GP .887%
13/14: 4GP .889%
12/13: 3GP .944%
11/12: 6GP .950%



Which of course underlines the point that in such small samples it's entirely pointless to pick out one small group of games and claim it to be representative of something. The only argument against using older numbers than that to pump up the sample size is that it wasn't the same guys wearing the laundry...players score goals, laundry doesn't. But then you'd have to take a look at the players wearing the laundry who scored those goals on Price over this period where Sens fans are claiming to have his number...I've done that, and there's a bunch of guys who scored on Price who don't wear the laundry any more.
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4 year sample sizes are so hot right now. So hot.
 
UWHabs said:
This year, 1-1, .887, 3.02
Last year, 2-1-1, .889, 3.74
2 yrs ago, 2-0-1, .944, 1.58 (p-off 1-2, .894, 3.26)

So if you feel the playoffs was a turning point, he'd done poorly the last 10 games against Ottawa, yet still maintained roughly a .500 record.
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Well looking at the recent samples it appears Price will struggle to post a .890 sv%

I'll take all bets that Price's sv% is .900+
 
MindzEye said:
Just so the numbers are out in the open

14/15: 2GP .887%
13/14: 4GP .889%
12/13: 3GP .944%
11/12: 6GP .950%



Which of course underlines the point that in such small samples it's entirely pointless to pick out one small group of games and claim it to be representative of something. The only argument against using older numbers than that to pump up the sample size is that it wasn't the same guys wearing the laundry...players score goals, laundry doesn't. But then you'd have to take a look at the players wearing the laundry who scored those goals on Price over this period where Sens fans are claiming to have his number...I've done that, and there's a bunch of guys who scored on Price who don't wear the laundry any more.
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You disingenuous piece of shit.

Why did you leave out the playoff stats for 12/13... Oh ya... 3.26 gaa and .894 sv% (over a larger sample size than the regular season.
 
corksens said:
We fully understand the concept.
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I can safely say, after having numerous arguments with you over the years, you really don't.

But we're entering a potential 7 game series. Not another 82 game season.
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Then shouldn't his most recent form, regardless of which team it was against be more indicative of his likely level of play in this series? I mean, if you're playing the small sample game, why not just point out that he has a .883 in his 4 games from April? If you're going to point at this year's games...you pumped him once, and he stopped 24 of 25 in the other. There's simply nothing relevant about that when handicapping an upcoming 7 game series.
 
SENSible said:
You disingenuous piece of shit.

Why did you leave out the playoff stats for 12/13... Oh ya... 3.26 gaa and .894 sv% (over a larger sample size than the regular season.
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I addressed that earlier, ****. Laundry doesn't score goals. A number of the goal scorers against Price in that series, are no longer with the Sens.

Strap your drool cup on a little tighter and try to keep up you worthless muppet.
 
For the record, I "want" the Sens to win for reasons I've already discussed. I just call out bullshit use of statistics whenever I see it, and this is a bullshit use of statistics.
 
UWHabs said:
This year, 1-1, .887, 3.02
Last year, 2-1-1, .889, 3.74
2 yrs ago, 2-0-1, .944, 1.58 (p-off 1-2, .894, 3.26)

So if you feel the playoffs was a turning point, he'd done poorly the last 10 games against Ottawa, yet still maintained roughly a .500 record.
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Thank you
 
You guys asked for the numbers and I posted them.

In the past 3 years (playoffs and regular season) Price has only posted a .903% against the Sens.
 
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