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Around the NHL 2016-2017

LeafOfFaith said:
Let's see a who's in and who's out list since your proud first round exit and evaluate.
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I've done this already.

I'm not wasting my time. But I will give you some easy money if you want to bet on it.

$50 says the Habs are fighting for home ice... like within 5 points.
 
I don't make bets over the internets with strangers. I'm sure neither of us gives a shit about $50 to have that serve as a conviction of our true thoughts on the subject.

I'll make a friendly wager with you that the Habs are more than 5 points out of 4th in the east. No problem.

Let's keep in mind as you like to claim how right you are and how wrong I am, that my prediction of your first round exit was the correct one this past season.
 
Drouin >/= Radulov (just based on age you have to assume they're heading in opposite trajectories)
Schlemko < Markov
Alzner > Emelin (Emelin is really shitty.)

Streit/Hemsky/Holland>Nesterov/King/Flynn


Losing Markov (and Radulov if he was willing) is stupid and senseless but overall the team is probably net =.

It's going to depend on Drouin and Galchenyuk. If they are equal or even a bit better than last year then the team is maybe even a little better. Gallagher is pretty much guaranteed to be better. Unless he takes another slapshot to the hand.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I don't make bets over the internets with strangers. I'm sure neither of us gives a shit about $50 to have that serve as a conviction of our true thoughts on the subject.

I'll make a friendly wager with you that the Habs are more than 5 points out of 4th in the east. No problem.

Let's keep in mind as you like to claim how right you are and how wrong I am, that my prediction of your first round exit was the correct one this past season.
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Man... if it's such an absurd prediction I assumed you'd take the easy money. That said, people don't need to put money down to have an opinion.

Predicting the winner of a playoff series doesn't make up for how far off you were on the Habs being a lottery team in the regular season. The Habs were the "favorite" vs the Rangers but it's not like it was some amazing call. Or that it proved anything. The Habs were probably only a 55% favorite. It's not like every team that loses in the first round is shit.
 
Habspatrol said:
Man... if it's such an absurd prediction I assumed you'd take the easy money. That said, people don't need to put money down to have an opinion.

Predicting the winner of a playoff series doesn't make up for how far off you were on the Habs being a lottery team in the regular season. The Habs were the "favorite" vs the Rangers but it's not like it was some amazing call. Or that it proved anything. The Habs were probably only a 55% favorite. It's not like every team that loses in the first round is shit.
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You were pretty convinced you'd win, and voiced how ridiculous of a notion it was that I thought you'd lose. That's enough to make the point.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
You were pretty convinced you'd win, and voiced how ridiculous of a notion it was that I thought you'd lose. That's enough to make the point.
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Wrong.


I definitely picked the Habs to win but by no means did I feel a Rangers prediction was "ridiculous."
 
Habspatrol said:
Drouin >/= Radulov (just based on age you have to assume they're heading in opposite trajectories)
Schlemko < Markov
Alzner > Emelin (Emelin is really shitty.)

Streit/Hemsky/Holland>Nesterov/King/Flynn


Losing Markov (and Radulov if he was willing) is stupid and senseless but overall the team is probably net =.

It's going to depend on Drouin and Galchenyuk. If they are equal or even a bit better than last year then the team is maybe even a little better. Gallagher is pretty much guaranteed to be better. Unless he takes another slapshot to the hand.
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That's some selective comparing at the top level.

Markov >> Alzner. Not even close. Where is the offense on the back end coming from now?
Emelin > Schlemko. What the **** is a Schlemko anyway?
Radulov > Drouin. Forget about future seasons. This season. Their offense may well be the same, but right now (which is all your core has left), for everything else he brings, Radulov is better.
Where'd Beaulieu go? Anyone else you're missing?

And you're assuming Lord Byron is going to sport a 23% shooting percentage again? And Price is going to improve with age, alongside Max, Pleks, and Weber?

A heck of a lot has to go very right for you to have the same results or improve. And it's not happening.
 
I don't see a good argument for the habs being anything other than slightly worse this season.

Assuming of course that this is their final roster.
 
MindzEye said:
I don't see a good argument for the habs being anything other than slightly worse this season.

Assuming of course that this is their final roster.
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That's my argument. Slightly worse. Last year they took the division by 5 points. I think being within 5 points of the division title is a pretty reasonable prediction.

Markov is a big loss and I'm pissed off about it... but that aside they improved the team. So with Markov taken into account they are sitting at net =/<
 
MindzEye said:
I don't see a good argument for the habs being anything other than slightly worse this season.

Assuming of course that this is their final roster.
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Yeah, and slightly worse than 1st should still have us fighting for home ice. We'll be within 5 points of having home ice, but probably also within 5 points of missing out completely.
 
I think the middle of the east is going to be super tight.

After Pit/Was and maybe TB i don't see a ton of separation between TOR/MTL/BOS/OTT/CAR/CBJ/FLA/PHI/NYI.......BUF/DET/NJD will be the dumpster
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I think the middle of the east is going to be super tight.

After Pit/Was and maybe TB i don't see a ton of separation between TOR/MTL/BOS/OTT/CAR/CBJ/FLA/PHI/NYI.......BUF/DET/NJD will be the dumpster
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Don't be shocked if we're closer to or in the top tier rather than the pack. We were a 100+ point team after a slow start and have made pretty solid upgrades to the lineup.
 
I would absolutely not rule it out, but for the time being i don't have them in the same class as Pit Was.

A year from now that class could be Pit, Was, TB, Tor as the easy top 4 in the east.

I think the Canes and maybe Flyers take big leaps this year
 
Habspatrol said:
I believe that will be in the playoffs and probably in contention for home ice. I think they're roughly about as good as they were last year maybe a bit worse. Obviously it will depend in a few factors. If guys like Drouin and Galchenyuk are as good or better than last year... Gallagher should be better. We'll see I suppose.

It's just frustrating cause Markov would have made us a little better than last year imo.
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Roughly as good as last year or maybe a bit worse? Losing Markov is a big deal, IMO.
 
hockeylover said:
Roughly as good as last year or maybe a bit worse? Losing Markov is a big deal, IMO.
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If all we did was lose Markov and have the exact same team otherwise I think it's a big net loss. However, when you take all the other additions/losses into account I think the net loss is mitigated.

Mind you, that doesn't take into account losing Sergachev because that doesn't have an impact on the immediate roster... but it's a hit to the franchise.
 
Habspatrol said:
If all we did was lose Markov and have the exact same team otherwise I think it's a big net loss. However, when you take all the other additions/losses into account I think the net loss is mitigated.

Mind you, that doesn't take into account losing Sergachev because that doesn't have an impact on the immediate roster... but it's a hit to the franchise.
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I don't see it as being mitigated. Also think it's a mistake to go one by one instead of looking at the overall picture. But hey, we'll see.
 
hockeylover said:
I don't see it as being mitigated. Also think it's a mistake to go one by one instead of looking at the overall picture. But hey, we'll see.
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I think it's fair to call Drouin and Radulov a wash at worst.
Alzner, Schlemko, Streit, Hemsky, Holland in for Beaulieu, Emelin, Nesterov, King and Flynn is a net win for the Habs... unfortunately imo all it does is mitigate the loss of Markov.

But like you said, we'll see. I'm just frustrated because if we could have kept Radulov and Markov, with all the other moves we'd be greatly improved.
 
Habspatrol said:
I think it's fair to call Drouin and Radulov a wash at worst.
Alzner, Schlemko, Streit, Hemsky, Holland in for Beaulieu, Emelin, Nesterov, King and Flynn is a net win for the Habs... unfortunately imo all it does is mitigate the loss of Markov.

But like you said, we'll see. I'm just frustrated because if we could have kept Radulov and Markov, with all the other moves we'd be greatly improved.
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Markov is a big loss.

All of those upgrades save for Alzner on Emelin aren't worth discussing IMO
 
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