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OT: American Politics

Altair said:
Yes, I'm sure that would allow Russia, a country with the GDP of Italy, to outfight Europe, with a potential army twice its size.

France: 205,000 with 195,770 in reserves

Germany: 180,000 with 145,00 in reserves

Poland: 120,000 with 515,000 in reserves

Spain: 125,00 with 16,200 in reserves

Italy: 320,000 with 42,000 in reserves

Sweden: 14,000 with 26,000 in reserves

Netherlands: 50,000 with 32,200 in reserves

Romania: 75,000 with 80,000 in Reserves

Czech Republic: 21,100 with 11,000 in reserves

Ukraine: 160,000 with 1,000,000 in reserves (Already in a proxy war with Russia)

Denmark: 25,000 with 63,000 in reserves

Bulgaria: 35,000 with 302,500 in reserves

Belgium: 35,000 with 6,500 in reserves

Austria: 30,000 with 27,000 in reserves

Portugal: 40,000 with 211,000 in reserves

Finland: 36,500 with 357,000 in reserves

Croatia: 21,500 with 102,700 in reserves

Estonia: 3,500 with 60,000 in reserves

Greece: 180,000 with 280,000 in reserves

Hungary: 20,000 with 52,000 in reserves

Latvia: 13,000 with 11,000 in reserves

Lithuania: 15,000 with 4,260 in reserves

Slovenia: 7,500 with 8,300 in reserves

Slovakia: 13,500 with 0 in reserves

Including at least 1,600 Nuclear Weapons

Frontline: 1,745,600

Reserves: 3,548,430

Total: 5,294,030


Russia


Frontline Troops: 766,055

Reserves: 2,485,000

Total: 3,251,055

Including 8,000 Nuclear Weapons

EU combined military spending :226.73 billion

Russian Military Budget: 66.3 Billion

yeah, russia wins that in a cake walk, right?
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Funny how you ignored the “and China” part but hey, zeke has taught you well.

I know it’s distasteful to admit you’re weak and would need a ton of help from the USA but it’s time you accepted reality.
 
Habsy said:
NATO isn’t dead. Not even close. They’ll spend a little more, Trump will show off that he got them to pay a little more and they’ll move on to other issues.
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when you say NATO isn't dead, what meaningful part of it are you saying is "alive"?
 
Altair said:
You name me what American battle group, air wing, naval fleet is currently tasked with defending Canada.

I'll wait.
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All of them when and if you’re invaded and you know it. A grunt with his manhood questioned is quite the spectacle of debate.
 
Habsy said:
Like they haven’t been. I’m still paying for your protection. You’re welcome.
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this is such a stupid trumpian outlook.

you aren't paying for their protection. in fact, america profits massively off of military sales to NATO countries.
 
Habsy said:
Oh and they’ll eventually fall too. Until then, be grateful.
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America doesn't need the rest of the world to be grateful. They need them to be reliant. America established this empire by making themselves invaluable to the rest of the free world. Withdrawing from the stage only gives others a chance to fill that void, and lessen the reliance. That is the begining of the decline.

Its not like other countries can't build great armies. They don't have to and that is good for America.
 
zeke said:
this is such a stupid trumpian outlook.

you aren't paying for their protection. in fact, america profits massively off of military sales to NATO countries.
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and really, this is all trump is looking for.

1.to look tough and get "wins"
2.to increase the american military-industrial complex's profits by billions

and remember, the only country that has ever actually invoked NATO to help itself is....the USA.
 
leafman101 said:
America doesn't need the rest of the world to be grateful. They need them to be reliant. America established this empire by making themselves invaluable to the rest of the free world. Withdrawing from the stage only gives others a chance to fill that void, and lessen the reliance. That is the begining of the decline.

Its not like other countries can't build great armies. They don't have to and that is good for America.
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exactement.
 
Habsy said:
Oh please. That’s what Trump is trying to do. The issue is that you think he’s being unreasonable asking other countries to stop the unfairness. You have zero interest in equally or mutually agreeable.




Lol. You’re right, other countries don’t focus on the best deal they can get for themselves. Insanity.



This is America threatening to pull out in order to get a better deal. Nuance isn’t your thing apparently.



And? If you seriously think America wasn’t on the short end of the stick on many of those deals you’re delusional. Oh wait, we’ve established that already. Put on your big boy pants bubba.
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If America would rather go it alone on trade,diplomatically, and militarily, then I hope they suffer for that decision.

Because he isn't going to get a better deal on NAFTA, so he will probably just kill it if he can.

He isn't negotiating a better deal on Iran, and Europe and China refuse to follow along.

The Paris deal will continue on in some way shape or form without the only country in the world who refused to go along with it.

TPP will continue along, and ironically, open up the Canadian dairy market that Trump continues to go on about.

NATO, good luck America, will all your foreign adventures without assistance.

G7 will be the G6, and america will be shut out of the west global policy makers and the agenda they set.

America isn't renegotiating anything right now, it's tearing everything up in a fit of nonsense
 
Habsy said:
All of them when and if you’re invaded and you know it. A grunt with his manhood questioned is quite the spectacle of debate.
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All of them...way to be specific.

America might be sadly disappointed that Canada wont be invaded overnight once America leaves NATO.

In fact, the only country to ever pose a existential threat to Canada has been America itself...
 
Habsy said:
Funny how you ignored the “and China” part but hey, zeke has taught you well.

I know it’s distasteful to admit you’re weak and would need a ton of help from the USA but it’s time you accepted reality.
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China threatens NATO how?

Hell, China will be using this opportunity to cozy up to Europe and replace american influence there. Russia is the only one who has a interest in harming NATO, and that would be to nibble around NATOs edges in their near backyard. Putin has no interest in putting his army against the full might of Europe.

But yes, America leaves and suddenly every ally is going to be invaded. Sure. American exceptionalism at work here.
 
zeke said:
this is such a stupid trumpian outlook.

you aren't paying for their protection. in fact, america profits massively off of military sales to NATO countries.
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Just be grateful man. It’s ok to say thank you once in awhile.
 
Altair said:
China threatens NATO how?

Hell, China will be using this opportunity to cozy up to Europe and replace american influence there. Russia is the only one who has a interest in harming NATO, and that would be to nibble around NATOs edges in their near backyard. Putin has no interest in putting his army against the full might of Europe.

But yes, America leaves and suddenly every ally is going to be invaded. Sure. American exceptionalism at work here.
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I know it’s hard for you to accept you’re employed in a feckless military. Especially when you have to realize you’re up shits creek without protection.

Maybe you should pay for that protection no?
 
Or being from Canada I know the buttons to push with our military friend? Canadians have been bent out of shape for decades about needing the US protection. To the point of denial.
 
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