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OT: Post Corona - What Will Change?

A good vaccine changes everything. Most things will go back to normal in a year or two if they get one that works.

We likely just accelerate society's technological dependence after this. But I mean we aren't going to ban hugs or handshakes if we have a good vaccine.
 
Your last point is key, although very few on this particular board will believe it. The U.S. only took terrorism really seriously after 9/11 even though there were plenty of red flags and warnings in the months and years before. Trump’s re-election hopes rest on how he handles the re-opening of the country. That, he cannot get wrong from either a public health or economic perspective, and he knows it.

This was a global travel issue heading to North America like a bullet train in China

On February 1 , when the shit was hitting the fan overseas , North American travel had to stop immediately

No flights in and out for 4-6 weeks and figure out handling the citizens who are scheduled to return

You can deal with refunds and travel industry bailouts later

No leader was going to go to the podium and make the call in
democratic powerhouse countries

Reports are now that European travel is the major problem with New York

This shit would of been under control and not at this crisis level
 
Like someone mentioned earlier, working from home could reduce the density by allowing people to move out of urban centers.

It might work better in the States with your rural areas where the cost of living is much less , but the major centers like Toronto and others will be a problem

Our infrastructure is useless and the majority who would commute by train/bus etc cant because transit has no reach

Secondly , employers today are constantly changing and are streamlining operations which gives you no guarantee that urban centers survive.

A good buddy of mine took a transfer to the outskirts of London Ontario 4 years ago when his company expanded and added a warehouse

He was delighted , smaller community , less traffic and homes at 50% less after selling his house

2 years later and new management , they shut down his distribution center and had no job .

Homes exploded here in the Toronto and couldnt come back , so he and his wife have 2 much less paying jobs now and are stuck there
 
People aren’t giving up sex. If humans survived through the filth they lived through in history this is but a blip on the gotta get some spectrum.

I’m not talking about sex necessarily. Some people would overlook anything to get laid. Those people will be undeterred. But dating is a different story. The dating world is marked by flakiness right now. Apps primarily get people acquainted, and bullshit messaging ensues, but actually going out is rare. There are many articles I’ve come across that affirm this. Now add in a nervousness about what the other person is potentially carrying (in addition to the oldies but goodies), and you have a recipe for an even bigger roadblock to people actually meeting up.

All of that said, I’m not sure what impact the pent up horniness plus the ever ticking female biological clock are going to have on behavior. This thing has definitely taught us that life is short and single people’s timeframes just got pushed by 6-12 months involuntarily.
 
I wasn’t just referring to the US. Things will change globally. Can’t rely on just China for pharmaceuticals and medical supplies and pretty much everything else supply chain wise. You will see added screening for international travel, especially from third world and developing countries (like Mississippi).

I think more will change.

Problem , we cant keep costs in line like China`s global trade

If you want to make socks in North America no one is prepared to pay $ 20 when Walmart sells them for $ 5 a pack

Their massive parts/supply chain and millions at cheap labour cant be duplicated in North America

We are their bitches and wont change for a very long time
 
Actually I’m one of the flakes. And this is for sure going to make me even more reluctant to go out with someone if I’m not basically convinced I want to marry her based on a picture.
 
Problem , we cant keep costs in line like China`s global trade

If you want to make socks in North America no one is prepared to pay $ 20 when Walmart sells them for $ 5 a pack

Their massive parts/supply chain and millions at cheap labour cant be duplicated in North America

We are their bitches and wont change for a very long time
There are other places. Mexico, India, Africa spread the wealth.
 
Long term, unless COVID happens over and over, I don’t see as many changes compared to most here.

Fear will eventually subside and humans are going to human.

WFH will grow, but not as much as people think. Some people do not prefer working from home (weird, right?) and that shit was going to happen regardless, but COVID definitely acts as an accelerant for many tech related changes.

My dream is twofold:

1. More people will value science and such a shift will be reflected in political discourse (which is currently at medieval levels)

2. People realise that taking care of our weaker links (sick, poor, olds) is also good business for billionaires.

Not many are saying this, but I find it striking that America was forced to shut down its $20 Trillion dollar economy because it neglected to spend billions on ventilators, medical grade masks and pandemic research.
 
I love the option of WFH, which I always have with my own practice, but I actually hate having to WFH. Home is for home, and I need to be out and in society during the day. So yeah, this thing is kinda slowly killing me.
 
Not many are saying this, but I find it striking that America was forced to shut down its $20 Trillion dollar economy because it neglected to spend billions on ventilators, medical grade masks and pandemic research.
I know this is a popular narrative but so far nobody that needed a ventilator has gone without.
 
Long term, unless COVID happens over and over, I don’t see as many changes compared to most here.

Fear will eventually subside and humans are going to human.

WFH will grow, but not as much as people think. Some people do not prefer working from home (weird, right?) and that shit was going to happen regardless, but COVID definitely acts as an accelerant for many tech related changes.

My dream is twofold:

1. More people will value science and such a shift will be reflected in political discourse (which is currently at medieval levels)

2. People realise that taking care of our weaker links (sick, poor, olds) is also good business for billionaires.

Not many are saying this, but I find it striking that America was forced to shut down its $20 Trillion dollar economy because it neglected to spend billions on ventilators, medical grade masks and pandemic research.

Great post but your dream is just a dream

The weaker links are what many now are saying is what we shouldnt be spending resources on

Fewer weak links means less money spent
 
Me too , but shit all I want to do right now is a simple workout at Goodlife FFS
As a Goodlife employee I feel this, deeply. I miss leading my BodyCombat classes and lifting. I’m usually there five days a week minimum. The social aspect of my gym family I am missing in an extreme way as well as the emotional and mental release from the workouts.
 
Do video sessions.
I have no equipment at home but I’ve been doing my classes with my training videos. It’s ok but it’s hard to get done with a special needs kiddo with me and awake from 6am until 8. Days gets home at 4:30 then we make dinner. I’m just spent by then. Trying to school my dude, deal with my dying dog and the emotional toll of isolation makes the drive to do it after the kids asleep little to none. And by then I’ve had wine with dinner because Mommy juice has been on the menu a fair bit recently
 
I know this is a popular narrative but so far nobody that needed a ventilator has gone without.

irrelevant, as the mere fear of lack of ventilators is what contributed to the economic shut down. Also, a ventilator is just part of the equation when it comes to being prepared vs the Trumpian argument of “not wanting people or resources around if they’re not being used at the moment”

The “just in time” economic revolution has been great for most industries, but not so great when dealing with “just in case” situations like this one.
 
It's hard to say what's going to change quite yet because we really don't know what we've learned yet...

-Is taking temperatures before you check in for a flight a good way to stop the spread via air travel? Dunno, but it seemed to work in China (with the proviso that those fuckers are a bunch of lying liars). If so, get used to that being part of travel going forward.

-I think shaking hands is largely an archaic habit that old white people decided was important to pass on and that will largely go away.

-Masks in public aren't just a thing, they should be encouraged in crowded areas (public transit, malls, etc). Especially if you have any illness symptoms at all, or during flu season.

-Cruise industry isn't dead per se, but I think that this generation of old people will be the last generation interested in it at nearly the scale it's reached.

-Airbnb "super hosts" are likely a thing of the past. Lenders just aren't going to line up to give someone their 10th mortgage without major down payments, net worth not attached to residential property equity, etc.

-National governments will be extremely interested in at minimum diversifying their health care supply chain. Bigger economies will look to have their own, but how long do we have to go between pandemics before that edge gets dulled? Also, knowing what supplies are needed for what pandemic is tricky at best...so you bought 100,000 ventilators, that's fantastic...what if the next pandemic isn't respiratory in nature? I think the big winner in this space isn't going to be specific manufacturers, but 3D printing tech. What this shows isn't that you need this super broad based infrastructure across your economy is a good thing...because if it's not competitive, it either needs to be a function of government or it's going to eventually get shuttered. It's that the flexibility at the core of 3D printing is the future of industry and needs major investment from governments now. Imagine if transitioning a solid chunk of your economy over to manufacturing a specific machine part (ventilator, for example) didn't require new machines and 1000's of man hours, it required uploading a new file to 1000's of already functioning industrial scale 3D printers. That's our manhattan project for the 21st century in my opinion.

-Everything I said above about 3D printing, but for medical AI. Invest in it now, heavily, on the government level. Don't wait for IBM and Google to do it for us.

- Working from home is great, people like it. Let them do it whenever possible.

- Smart governments will see the internet as a utility, and start to manage and invest in them like the utility it is. It's as essential as electricity, gas, etc in 2020. The government should own the tubes.

- UBI is going to be a thing in a lot of places. Had governments been re organized around delivering UBI already, massive shocks to the economy like this would be massively blunted. Instead of trying to figure out on the fly how to keep millions from ending up homeless and starving, you've baked it into your system. Temporarily scaling the payments up is a lot easier than building systems on the fly in a crisis.
 
I have no equipment at home but I’ve been doing my classes with my training videos. It’s ok but it’s hard to get done with a special needs kiddo with me and awake from 6am until 8. Days gets home at 4:30 then we make dinner. I’m just spent by then. Trying to school my dude, deal with my dying dog and the emotional toll of isolation makes the drive to do it after the kids asleep little to none. And by then I’ve had wine with dinner because Mommy juice has been on the menu a fair bit recently

I would choose wine over breast milk too.
 
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