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The Official Post-Bitch 2025-26 Regular Season Thread

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CH1 said:
Didn’t it take the Leafs losing a bunch of games post Olympics to seal Tre’s faith?

If Tre fired Berube in December, the Leafs would have improved quite a bit and he might have been able to convince Pelley it was the coach’s fault
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So the story goes, Pelley observed how Treliving operated at the deadline and it was a fumbling, bumbling shitshow with no plan, no data, all vibes and snap decision making. Pelley came away from the experience and started quietly preparing to make a change.

A fucking shame he didn't take a few weeks away from the cottage in the summer to do that around the draft and free agency.
 
CH1 said:
Didn’t it take the Leafs losing a bunch of games post Olympics to seal Tre’s faith?

If Tre fired Berube in December, the Leafs would have improved quite a bit and he might have been able to convince Pelley it was the coach’s fault
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Idk how true it is, and it could just be lip service, but Elliotte Friedman has said repeatedly that Pelley did not like what he saw at the deadline and his decision was made after that. I'm sure he was already leaning that way after they lost almost every game after the Olympics tho.

It does line up with Pelley's presser where he repeatedly implied disorganization and a lack of process that he felt was plaguing management. And a lack of data driven decision making. I genuinely think he was blindsided by Tre's ineptitude. He's not a hockey guy so maybe he just didn't understand how dumb and shit he is until he saw it with his own eyes. Which is dumb, that's on Pelley.
 
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Preston said:
At the end of the day, being too slow to fire Tre, being too slow to fire Berube is the only thing that could be affording them the opportunity to get a top 5 pick. So if it actually happens, fuck it, we'll call it a net positive. Sometimes good things come out of organizations being inept. As long as they hire the right GM and give him full control moving forward, all is forgiven for the hilarious mismanagement of the last 18 months.
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Yeah, we were going to need a hard retool after Treliving regardless if he got fired last summer or last week.
 
MindzEye said:
So the story goes, Pelley observed how Treliving operated at the deadline and it was a fumbling, bumbling shitshow with no plan, no data, all vibes and snap decision making. Pelley came away from the experience and started quietly preparing to make a change.

A fucking shame he didn't take a few weeks away from the cottage in the summer to do that around the draft and free agency.
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Where was Pelly at last year’s deadline
 
They are one elite D and a Matthews return to form away from being a contender in the east again. If they get lucky enough and pick the right D with a top 5 pick, they can solve one of those things within the next couple of years.

It's a travesty that they haven't shut down Willy and JT and Knies. Tre wanted to save face and have Boston pick as late as possible and Pelley doesn't understand hockey enough to order a tank. They did a fabulous job organically sucking dick (the Matthews injury was huge), but bottom 3 was easily doable if they put in any amount of effort. 3rd last is gonna get nearly 80 points; this rarely happens. What an opportunity.
 
Why does everyone rate him lower than some of the other d? Like that tree bitch Verhoeff guy and Reid? What are Carel's supposed weaknesses?

Based on that video, he's everything the leafs have been lacking from a d for as long as I can remember.
 
Preston said:
They are one elite D and a Matthews return to form away from being a contender in the east again. If they get lucky enough and pick the right D with a top 5 pick, they can solve one of those things within the next couple of years.

It's a travesty that they haven't shut down Willy and JT and Knies. Tre wanted to save face and have Boston pick as late as possible and Pelley doesn't understand hockey enough to order a tank. They did a fabulous job organically sucking dick (the Matthews injury was huge), but bottom 3 was easily doable if they put in any amount of effort. 3rd last is gonna get nearly 80 points; this rarely happens. What an opportunity.
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Speaking from fan experience, tanking is harder than it looks. Your team finds ways to win games it shouldn’t
 
leafman101 said:
Carels is my favourite D. He put up the best draft season since Niedermayer and is 6'2 and physical, plays PP and PK.
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Does all of the stuff you can't teach, all of his shortcomings (decision making) are they stuff you can teach.

When I watch breakdowns of Chase Reid he looks more dynamic (looks very Makar-ish), and Verhoeff kind of screams NHL #1 in the mold of McAvoy, Seider but Carels vision and puck moving seems to be a step ahead of theirs and yeah...probably ends up 6'2+ 210+ when he's finished maturing.

I honestly don't care which of the 3 we get, I just expect the other 2 to be gone by the #5 pick. This is the best top 10 for defenders since 2018.
 
CH1 said:
Speaking from fan experience, tanking is harder than it looks. Your team finds ways to win games it shouldn’t
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I wasn't asking for much! Knies alone has carried them to at least 2 additional points. Had they shut him down we'd be talking about the potential for 3rd last imo. The margins are so thin that any additional effort would have made a huge difference.
 
Preston said:
Pelley went from talking extension with Tre at the Olympic break to observing Tre's process at the deadline and being horrified and firing him weeks later. It looked like disorganized chaos and insane ineptitude from afar, it must have been some sight to see up close.
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If true that's pretty scary that the results were thought of as extension worthy
 
Preston said:
Idk how true it is, and it could just be lip service, but Elliotte Friedman has said repeatedly that Pelley did not like what he saw at the deadline and his decision was made after that. I'm sure he was already leaning that way after they lost almost every game after the Olympics tho.

It does line up with Pelley's presser where he repeatedly implied disorganization and a lack of process that he felt was plaguing management. And a lack of data driven decision making. I genuinely think he was blindsided by Tre's ineptitude. He's not a hockey guy so maybe he just didn't understand how dumb and shit he is until he saw it with his own eyes. Which is dumb, that's on Pelley.
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For as inept and organizationally dangerous Treliving is, his one(?) strength seems to be the gift of smooth talking media / other execs within the franchise. Unfortunately that doesn't extend to other GM's as he seems to get bent over on a regular basis. His tenure was an unmitigated disaster here but luckily someone (Pelley?) had the sense to push the eject button. They'll still be feeling the pain for many years to come but at least they stopped the bleeding for now.
 
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If we get some stupid luck and end up at the top of the draft what is Gavin McKenna? 1st overall on a winger is always a tough one.

Is he enough of a gap to the rest of the top 4-7 to not consider moving back for additional assets? I.e. we are 1st and Calgary is 5/6 could we extract the pick and Parekh.
 
trujaysfan said:
If we get some stupid luck and end up at the top of the draft what is Gavin McKenna? 1st overall on a winger is always a tough one.

Is he enough of a gap to the rest of the top 4-7 to not consider moving back for additional assets? I.e. we are 1st and Calgary is 5/6 could we extract the pick and Parekh.
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I mean, if we're ranking the pantheon of #1 overall forwards based on their pre draft production over the last ~20 years

Legend Shit:
McDavid, Sid, Kane, Celebrini, Bedard

Perennial Stud Shit:
Matthews, Tavares, Stamkos, Hall, Lafreniere, Hughes

Ehhh, he'll do:
Mackinnon, Yakupov, Hischier, RNH

Fuck, why did we suck this year?:
Slafkovsky

McKenna is a weird one to handicap because his D-1 season in the WHL was below but in the same category as McDavid & Bedard's draft season...both of which are pretty fucking historic pre draft CHL production. But McKenna's draft season production is a big step down from Celebrini's (1.68ppg vs 1.46) and also a step down from Eichel's 1.76 & Fantilli's 1.81 (though both of them were October birthdays, which is a pretty significant advantage before you reach the pros)

Like, if we just look at CHL D-1 production of the #1 picks who played CHL (and birth month, because yeah, important):

McKenna 2.3 (Dec)
Sid 2.28 (Aug, very young for his draft class)
Tavares 2.0 (Sep...but just after the cutoff, so he was as old as his draft class allowed and was 19 to start his 1st NHL season)
McDavid 1.77 (Jan)
Lafreniere 1.71 (Oct)
Bedard 1.61 (July)
Yakupov 1.55 (Oct)
Stamkos 1.46 (Feb)
Hall 1,43 (Nov)
Mackinnon 1.33 (Sept...but before the cutoff, so celebrated his 18th birthday after the draft, right about the start of his first NHL training camp)
RNH .97 (Apr)

So yeah...what is McKenna? Dunno. He's not Sid though. Mitch Marner that can/will shoot the puck and apparently throw a punch? A slightly bigger version of Berard, Kane, Hughes that plays the wing?

Is there a big enough gap to not trade down. Probably.
 
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