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2018-19 Canes Prospect and Calder Cup Winning Charlotte Checkers Thread

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It’s a small percentage that pull this crap. You can’t ignore the NCAA pipeline.

No, you absolutely can't ignore college as a talent pool. Especially with American parents leaning more and more towards the US development programs and away from Canadian junior. That said, you can't get mesmerized by the college game either. It's not as fast or as physical as Canadian junior, and a lot of times teams and fans over-rate big college production players in terms of their NHL potential. Fox is a good enough example. If you dig a bit deeper on some of the scouting on him this season you start to see comments about how small and slow the ECAC is this season ... things that factor heavily in the ability of a small, speedy defenseman to rack up points like a pinball machine.

I'll go back to Vesey again, just because of recency bias, but he was supposed to be this fast, aggressive, super productive power forward who would step right in to an NHL roster and be good right out of the box. Yeah ... turns out he's fairly mobile as opposed to actually fast. He's kind of aggressive, but not physically noticeable most nights. He's got decent enough hands, but doesn't make plays with his passing at the NHL level which makes him fairly easy to negate. He's a good solid young player ... nothing more. I'm not saying you don't draft college guys. I am saying that you have to be careful to manage everyone's expectations about high end college prospects ... including the kid and his family. It's super tempting for the top college player to see that opportunity to play out his draft rights and then pick his own NHL team ... because of ego and any number of other factors. But it rarely turns out like they plan.
 
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Waddell made a point to state that the Canes insisted on Fox being included in the trade. So we had some (ill conceived?) belief the Fox would sign here. Sounds like the kid might be mostly full of sh$@ when he claims that his intent isn't all about signing with the Rangers. We will see.


They took a risk. Looks like it won't pay off ... but it's not a done deal yet either. He's not a free agent for another year. A lot of stuff can happen in a year, but yeah ... the kid is probably full of shit. Most kids that age are.
 
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Waddell made a point to state that the Canes insisted on Fox being included in the trade. So we had some (ill conceived?) belief the Fox would sign here. Sounds like the kid might be mostly full of sh$@ when he claims that his intent isn't all about signing with the Rangers. We will see.

Maybe he insisted on it to make the trade look more balanced than it was. He knew Calgary wouldn't include a high draft pick, and he knew that Fox was worthless to them on the ice because he wouldn't sign. So the Flames gave up nothing and Waddell gets to blunt the negative reaction to the trade with the uncertainty of whether Fox would sign, basically spreading the negative reaction out. Hey, nobody every accused me of not being a cynic.
 
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Maybe he insisted on it to make the trade look more balanced than it was. He knew Calgary wouldn't include a high draft pick, and he knew that Fox was worthless to them on the ice because he wouldn't sign. So the Flames gave up nothing and Waddell gets to blunt the negative reaction to the trade with the uncertainty of whether Fox would sign, basically spreading the negative reaction out. Hey, nobody every accused me of not being a cynic.

Was there any real negative reaction in this market to the trade? I didn't hear much, if any. Not really arguing the point hard, but that trade was about fit and team composition and both sides benefited handsomely even before you factor in Fox. I just don't think there was any compelling reason to include Fox as a bit of a smoke screen. If Carolina wanted him in the deal, then they thought there was some chance they would sign him. And based on the kid's public comments prior to this point, it is absolutely obvious that he told them they had a shot to sign him. I mean ... I know everybody wants to call the Canes idiots when something like this happens, but I don't see it here. The trade itself was fine.
 
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Was there any real negative reaction in this market to the trade?

I do recall some. I also recall some commentators reserving judgment until we see how (or if) Fox turns out. But that's part of the point. The reaction was not negative in part because Fox was included.
 
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I do recall some. I also recall some commentators reserving judgment until we see how (or if) Fox turns out. But that's part of the point. The reaction was not negative in part because Fox was included.

Maybe so ... my memory is what it is but I don't recall a lot of push back locally.

And either way ... Calgary is happy, and the Canes are a LOT better right now. I'm having a hard time complaining about the deal even if Fox ends up being smoke.
 
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Maybe so ... my memory is what it is but I don't recall a lot of push back locally.

And either way ... Calgary is happy, and the Canes are a LOT better right now. I'm having a hard time complaining about the deal even if Fox ends up being smoke.

I think there'll be groaning about the deal if Ferland walks, less so if we make the playoffs though.
 
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Playoffs this year or not, if we lose 2 of the 3 pieces we got in the trade to UFA, that's not a good look.
 
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Playoffs this year or not, if we lose 2 of the 3 pieces we got in the trade to UFA, that's not a good look.

Fair. Neither is a done yet though, so I think I'll keep my powder dry for the moment.
 
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Playoffs this year or not, if we lose 2 of the 3 pieces we got in the trade to UFA, that's not a good look.

This!!! Fox was part of the deal to balance things out, no way do you trade Lindy and Hanafin...both former top 5 overall picks for Dougie and Ferland and call that even! If Fox and Ferland are both pretty much gone then the trade is brutal and I’ll argue that to the cows come home.
 
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All fair comments ... but I do think we need to wait and see how everything shakes out before we judge
 
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All fair comments ... but I do think we need to wait and see how everything shakes out before we judge

NO!! I want to complain about things that haven't happened yet and then, when they don't happen, not be held accountable for my divisive ranting! Oh wait, I'm not on a cable news show. Never mind.
 
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NO!! I want to complain about things that haven't happened yet and then, when they don't happen, not be held accountable for my divisive ranting! Oh wait, I'm not on a cable news show. Never mind.

well done:drink
 
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NO!! I want to complain about things that haven't happened yet and then, when they don't happen, not be held accountable for my divisive ranting! Oh wait, I'm not on a cable news show. Never mind.

I mean ... carry on, by all means.
 
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Sara Civ retweeted an interview snippet with Fox in which he says he hasn't made an "official decision yet" and won't make a decision until after the season ends.

The interview was very short and seemed very orchestrated. Unclear if it means anything at all.
 
Re: 2018-19 Canes Prospect and Cherkers Thread

Sara Civ retweeted an interview snippet with Fox in which he says he hasn't made an "official decision yet" and won't make a decision until after the season ends.

The interview was very short and seemed very orchestrated. Unclear if it means anything at all.

Seems to me like there are a LOT of people with a stake in this decision who aren't actually the Carolina Hurricanes or the Fox family. I like absolutely nothing about this.
 
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He'd have to be VERY good to crack the Canes lineup anytime soon. He knows this. His agent knows this. He will probably aim for lower hanging fruit.
 
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He'd have to be VERY good to crack the Canes lineup anytime soon. He knows this. His agent knows this. He will probably aim for lower hanging fruit.

He doesn't have to be VERY good. He just has to be better than TvR. His options right now are the Canes or Harvard. I agree that Harvard is the lower hanging fruit. This is all academic anyway as he's probably already decided against the NHL for now.
 
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Look ... without everybody either trying to insert drama here, or simply sensing drama on the boil and pointing it out ... he could opt to return to Harvard simply because he wants to play four years and be Captain next season for the Crimson. He doesn't automatically have to be pushing the "sign for the Rangers or some other crappy team as a free agent" button. I just wish there weren't so many people pretending they know something about this kid. There's just so much wink, wink, nudge, nudge surrounding him when we all know most of that is hot garbage. He's either full of crap, a little too full of himself or full of nothing other than good intentions or some combination thereof ... and from this distance I have no way of judging ANY of that. I suspect neither does anybody outside of his family circle.

Again ... I'm going to go sit on wait and see with Fox. Same place I've always been. I'm not 100% convinced he's good enough right now to even play for the Checkers, so this is definitely a problem for another day.
 
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