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2018-19 Canes Prospect and Calder Cup Winning Charlotte Checkers Thread

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Pierre LeBrun weighs in on the Fox situation in The Athletic ... those of you with subs can go find it. In short, no firm word on Fox one way or the other. Harvard's season could end as soon as this afternoon and it is in Fox's best interests professionally to go ahead and burn a year of entry level purgatory by signing with the Canes before the NHL season is done (including playoffs, if applicable). But if he sticks to his guns about having a short path to the NHL, then he could delay. Or if he's angling for a different team ... although LeBrun soft pedals that. He also points out that scouts are mixed on Fox. Some figure he's a 2nd pair guy at best, with concerns about his combination of size (small) and speed/quickness (not that good) dragging down the majority view that he's an elite passer of the puck.

Bottom line ... no need to freak out about this just yet. If Carolina gets cold feet, there IS a market for Fox and they could move him now (or later) for another asset. A decision by Fox to pass on signing with the Canes would be a blow, but it would be FAR from the end of the story. And again, I've read the scouting reports and I don't think this kid is some sort of savior. His scouting sounds an awful lot like that for Jake Bean, who has yet to sniff the big club. I don't think this is as big a deal as some seem to want to make it.
 
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Jake Bean played for the Canes this season (hard to remember but it's true). Bean is having a great rookie season for the Checkers.
 
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cmaleski2 said:
Jake Bean played for the Canes this season (hard to remember but it's true). Bean is having a great rookie season for the Checkers.
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True ... edit my comment to say "His scouting sounds a lot like that of Jake Bean, who is a decent prospect, but one who is by no means ready to break into the big club in his first season for anything other than an injury call up."

Because that's all I meant by the comparison. I'm not bagging on Fox (or Bean), but there are people out there acting like he's some superstar prospect. He's not. He's a good prospect with a fair amount of flaws who is not going to break right into the NHL roster and take a spot from TVR or anybody else.
 
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Bean is on what I would call a 3 year track. That is, the earliest we should expect him to challenge for an NHL roster spot is after NEXT season. And there is nothing wrong with that for a mid first round dman.

Fox is not going to be NHL ready immediately either. The Canes can still offer him a chance to burn an entry level season even if he doesn't play a game. The Rangers are not stupid, Fox is just as unready for the NHL there as he is for us.
 
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cmaleski2 said:
Bean is on what I would call a 3 year track. That is, the earliest we should expect him to challenge for an NHL roster spot is after NEXT season. And there is nothing wrong with that for a mid first round dman.

Fox is not going to be NHL ready immediately either. The Canes can still offer him a chance to burn an entry level season even if he doesn't play a game. The Rangers are not stupid, Fox is just as unready for the NHL there as he is for us.
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The article (Lebrun I think) made the point that it'd be darn foolish for any team to put him in a single game this year because then you'd have to protect him in the expansion draft. Pretty sensible thinking, if I have that correct.
 
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bagopux said:
The article (Lebrun I think) made the point that it'd be darn foolish for any team to put him in a single game this year because then you'd have to protect him in the expansion draft. Pretty sensible thinking, if I have that correct.
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You're correct and it would be dumb for a team to do that. And again, it's just tough to shake some of the behind the hand whispering that has presented Fox as a kid who wants one of two things ... the NHL right away or a contract with the Rangers. I'm never sure how much weight to put on that stuff, because honestly, a lot of the kids that get that treatment DO end up jockeying for a contract with a specific team. By the same token some don't, and the Canes don't seem all that put off by whatever has happened or been said to date. Calgary was ... but that was last year and stuff changes.
 
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Harvard has been eliminated. <best Judge Smails voice> Weeeellll, we’re waiting....


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bagopux said:
Harvard has been eliminated. <best Judge Smails voice> Weeeellll, we’re waiting....


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LeBrun says you'll probably know something within 2 days ... so Monday or thereabouts. Don't hold your breath that long. You'll hurt yourself.
 
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I'm pretty relaxed over this decision as there's a good chance that Bean is perhaps more suited for what we need and is already well-developed under our system.

Lot of questions about how much of Fox's game will translate to the NHL and the defensive side of his game is untested. We know what we have in Bean, a puck-moving PP quarterback that has a pretty good two-way game, as well.

Probably not room for both on a roster. So certainly not the end of the world if Fox wishes to pursue another path. We'll get something for the asset.

Plus, Bean is over on the uncrowded left-shot side of things, whereas Fox would need to fit into our already overflowing right-shot defensive roster.
 
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Yeah. I generally agree that you probably can't expect to (eventually) play both Bean and Fox in your top six ... not without some truly solid hold the fort guys on the opposite side. Which doesn't mean you can't use one or both of them as trade fodder.
 
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Mattheos scored his first AHL goal for the Checkers last night.
 
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jeffbear said:
LeBrun says you'll probably know something within 2 days ... so Monday or thereabouts. Don't hold your breath that long. You'll hurt yourself.
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Assuming he goes back to school, my annoyance here is with management for mishandling the trade. This was, at least as far as they sold it, a significant piece of the deal. It is entirely possible that it ends up being valueless. If Fox decides not to sign, we will not get anything significant for his rights.


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bagopux said:
If Fox decides not to sign, we will not get anything significant for his rights.
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Actually... if Fox doesn't sign there may always be a chance to get something out of Seattle for him. if he wants to get that Harvard degree and then jump right into the NHL, an expansion team may be a faster track to getting there than hoping that the Canes have room for him with how he'd currently fit.

He could be "Future Considerations" for Seattle to take a guy like Connor Brickley in the draft.
 
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@ice_chip: Quickly asked GM Don Waddell after game about the Adam Fox situation. "We're working on it," he said.


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Portland lost to Spokane in the WHL playoffs so Brendan DeJong’s junior career is over. Canes have until June 1 to sign him or he goes back into the draft. If he doesn’t get drafted, he’s a free agent.
 
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bagopux said:
It is entirely possible that it ends up being valueless. If Fox decides not to sign, we will not get anything significant for his rights.
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Oh, I think that's being overly dramatic. His value at that point is the same for any team that thinks they can sign him. The only way he loses all value is if there's NO market for him at all, and that's not likely to be the case.
 
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This column argues that the Rangers should aggressively pursue Fox including trading for his rights.

And while not the GM he’s casually dropping a prospect and a third or even one of their “many seconds” to do so. Seems to be worried about competition from Chicago and others. Immediate top-4 dangled.

Fox was 66th overall. With Bean in hand a second and a prospect is good value for the “you try to sign him” piece.
 
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Elsker said:
This column argues that the Rangers should aggressively pursue Fox including trading for his rights.

And while not the GM he’s casually dropping a prospect and a third or even one of their “many seconds” to do so. Seems to be worried about competition from Chicago and others. Immediate top-4 dangled.

Fox was 66th overall. With Bean in hand a second and a prospect is good value for the “you try to sign him” piece.
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That's not the only piece I've seen suggesting a similar return for Fox. Thus my lack of panic. I'm not sure how good a fit he is for the Canes' needs over the next 2-3 years and if you can parlay him into a decent pick and another prospect who maybe fills the medium term needs better ... like a center, maybe ... then I'm certainly not complaining.
 
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jeffbear said:
That's not the only piece I've seen suggesting a similar return for Fox. Thus my lack of panic. I'm not sure how good a fit he is for the Canes' needs over the next 2-3 years and if you can parlay him into a decent pick and another prospect who maybe fills the medium term needs better ... like a center, maybe ... then I'm certainly not complaining.
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Rags have a ton of decent centers in the system, if Fox is not signing here why not flip him to NY for a center prospect and call it a day!
 
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