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2018-19 Canes Prospect and Calder Cup Winning Charlotte Checkers Thread

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CanadaCanes said:
We need an All-Spurned Team...Freddy Andersen in goal, Jack Johnson and Adam Fox on D...who am I forgetting?
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Darcy Hordichuk was JR's effort at getting a physical forward willing to drop gloves. JR traded for his rights and he did not even return JR's call and listen to his offer.
 
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It's the Athletic, so I won't bother with a link ... Pierre LeBrun is reporting that the NHL has told the Hurricanes that they cannot sign and trade Fox before the end of the season. Any contract he signs now that is traded with be automatically voided.

Polar's Word

At this point we have two options. First, offer to sign the kid so he can burn his entry year and then promise him you'll trade him. Unlikely. Second, hang on and try to convince some other team that could get him for free next spring to give us an asset for his rights over the summer. Also unlikely. I think the Canes are just screwed here. And before you put the front office on blast, I also think that they were fully convinced that they would get Fox signed and I sincerely doubt that conviction came from pure optimism. I'm not calling the kid a liar, but .... CM is. And I'm not arguing with him.

Bottom line ... I now also hope he ends up being some New York club's version of Ryan Murphy. A growing number of NHL GMs are growing more and more weary of the college UFA loophole and I expect it to be shut down in the next CBA negotiations. I mean, who's arguing FOR it? There's much more political power tied up protecting the interests of the Canadian junior system than the American college system, and those guys have to be re-submitted to the draft before they gain free agent status. I don't blame the kids, per se. They're just looking out for themselves and I have no problem with that ... so long as they don't string an NHL club along into thinking they have a chance to sign a player that in fact has no intention of signing.
 
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Missing something... why do we have to sign him to trade him? Trade his rights like Calgary did, and let his new team worry about the (polar's word).
 
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Apparently we're the only ones who can sign him before the end of the season and get his clock ticking on his entry contract. We're past the deadline and he's not a roster player, so otherwise ... pfft. Carolina can sign him, but he'd have to trust us to trade him when the season ends. Fat chance of that.
 
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andyt said:
I’m with Bill...I don’t understand why we can’t trade his rights.
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Sure, we can trade his rights. But he's already refused to sign with two teams. Who's going to want to give anything for him with that track record? I think the only way to do it is to let the trade partner talk to him and basically work out a deal with him before the trade. I don't know if that's kosher, but if the two teams involved don't have a problem with it, I'm not sure why the league would unless it amounts to subversion, I guess.

The rule needs fixing. One possibility to lessen the impact is that if the team made some sort of pre-defined qualifying offer and the kid balked, the team could at least get a compensatory draft pick. Even if you match up the NCAA rule with the Canadian junior rule, the drafting team still gets screwed.
 
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Seems like you should not be able to circumvent the draft like this regardless. If you get drafted by a team they should have your rights until you sign a contract with them or they trade your rights. You shouldn't just be able to not sign for X years and then go back into the draft, or be unrestricted. Unless the team releases your rights. Fine - he doesn't want to play for the team that drafted him - then let them know and work with them to get traded. Otherwise the drafting team should be able to let the kid rot. I guess you'd have to protect against lowball offers, but that's not what this is about. In any case, someone new to add to the hate list with JJ.
 
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What I've been reading is that Fox is hoping to burn a year on his ELC and trying to find a sucker, er team, that will do that. Rangers fit that bill. But he has to sign and play for the canes to burn a year.

I'm now, with no basis in seeing him play, projecting Fox to have a career arc similar to Ryan Murphy--particularly if he starts in the NHL. He's not Charlie McAvoy
 
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cmon3 said:
Seems like you should not be able to circumvent the draft like this regardless. If you get drafted by a team they should have your rights until you sign a contract with them or they trade your rights. You shouldn't just be able to not sign for X years and then go back into the draft, or be unrestricted. Unless the team releases your rights. Fine - he doesn't want to play for the team that drafted him - then let them know and work with them to get traded. Otherwise the drafting team should be able to let the kid rot. I guess you'd have to protect against lowball offers, but that's not what this is about. In any case, someone new to add to the hate list with JJ.
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Well, that ship sailed when the players got free agency. Even players that sign become UFAs by age 27 at the latest if they want to. But I agree that part of the point of the draft is to allow teams to share talent in some equitable manner and to give teams some measure of control over that talent. As the skill level of the NCAA grows, the NCAA loophole makes less sense and becomes more unfair to the teams. It's hard to have a lot of sympathy for the Canes though. We didn't draft the kid, and by the time we got him, word was out that he was a risky investment.

As far as letting a kid rot, there has to be a mechanism to avoid that. That's not good for the owners, fans, player or player's association. That's just a lose-lose.
 
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I'd still consider trading his rights to Seattle.
 
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andyt said:
I’m with Bill...I don’t understand why we can’t trade his rights.

Chase Priskie from Quinnipiac is going the UFA route rather than signing with Washington.

https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/status/1113503720115978240?s=21
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We can trade his rights. We can't "help" him burn an entry contract year this year unless he signs with us ... which he ain't gonna do. That just means Carolina's last sliver of leverage is fairly meaningless. And look, the Canes might be able to find somebody willing to take a risk that they could offer Fox a shorter path to the NHL and salvage something out of this. But it would be dumb for anybody to spend a real asset on that, since he'll be a true free agent this time next year.
 
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If he truly wanted to play his senior year and go the UFA route, this would all be put to bed and quiet by now...and it's not.

So his true wish is what he said from the beginning, get to the NHL as quickly as possible. Burning the year off his ELC is a good secondary objective and certainly means money sooner instead of later. So let's say that's also on the table, but not as important as just getting to the NHL in a play-me-now role.

If that's his motivation, then we are holding an asset with value, assuming there's a match out there for his interest and available playing time. And that's the Rangers, for sure. Perhaps the Islanders, but less so.

So if Fox feels there's too much of a logjam here, then may have to abandon the secondary objective of burning a year off the ELC. League just shut that sign-and-trade pathway down (maybe).

But the play next year in the NHL path is still open. And ostensibly should be more valuable for the Rangers to get him with the ELC years intact.

Reason this is all still simmering has to be over negotiations as to just what's being coughed up to gain his rights.
 
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Julien Gauthier seems to have quietly improved upon his numbers from last season with the Checkers... are his odds of making the jump still that low since his did this on such a dominant Checkers team?
 
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Punzil said:
Julien Gauthier seems to have quietly improved upon his numbers from last season with the Checkers... are his odds of making the jump still that low since his did this on such a dominant Checkers team?
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Vellucci has praised the work Gauthier has put in this year and the improvement has been noticeable. Kid might be worth the development time, he would be a beast to have on the wing with that size and ability to put up 20-25 goals.
 
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Punzil said:
Julien Gauthier seems to have quietly improved upon his numbers from last season with the Checkers... are his odds of making the jump still that low since his did this on such a dominant Checkers team?
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I thought he was going to be a bust when he realized his size in the AHl was not as impressive as it was in juniors. I've read that he has put in the work, effort and accepted the coaching to get better. I hope he continues along the path and becomes a power forward. It would certainly be something to have Foegele (who's getting better) and Gauthier to be in the system and have the balance of speed, size, and hands to be that physical forward presence.
 
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I could see Gauthier eventually taking over Justin Williams spot on the roster when Justin is ready to hang them up. Right now his competition is Williams, Tuevo and Martinook at RW.
 
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cmaleski2 said:
I could see Gauthier eventually taking over Justin Williams spot on the roster when Justin is ready to hang them up. Right now his competition is Williams, Tuevo and Martinook at RW.
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Gauthier is a right shot, something in short supply among forwards. How short? Williams is the only one on the Canes. FWIW Necas, Geekie, Roy and Mattheos are righties too. So are Brown and Potaralski, but they appear destined to be AHL lifers.
 
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Checkers playing out the string waiting for the playoffs

Apr 2 Lehigh Valley W 5-1 Ned with the win. Saarela x2, Jurco, Gauthier and Mattheos with the goals.
Apr 3 Lehigh Valley W 6-2 Tokarski with the win. Bean, Jurco, Lorentz, Geekie, Brown and Necas with the goals.
Apr 6 Springfield L 5-3 Ned with the loss. Saarela, Gauthier and Necas with the goals
Apr 7 Springfield W 5-0 Tokarski with the 20 save shutout. McKeown, Carrick, Saarela, Gauthier and Geekie with the goals.

Checkers close the season in Cleveland this Thursday and Friday.

The Checkers are by far the best team in the AHL, at least this regular season. That doesn't surprise me as they are flat out stacked with all of our prospects and with a nice mix of vets. Hopefully they find playoff success as well.]

By the way, Scott Darling is back with the Checkers. He isn't going to play but its good that he is at least back at the rink. Tokarski's performance spelling Ned? 6-0-0 1.17 GAA .950 Sv%.
 
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