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GDT 7: Leafs @ Canes, 7 pm, SN - Fuck you Jobu...

Let's get back to this:

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LeafGm said:
But then again, the Leafs are under big pressure. First game against their former goalie, coming off a humiliating loss and with all the big-money guys off to horrid offensive starts.

It’ll be a titanic contest of wills between the moveable object and the stoppable force.
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Remember when the Leafs were the best tonic for a slumping team? It was Fred.
 
Frederick Andersen, after tonight, will be Justin Bieber’s new best friend.
this is just the worst.
 
Preston said:
Thing about Ritchie is that as I've said all along, he's basically a wash with Thornton in a bottom line role and arguably a worse fit with the top dogs. He's getting paid 1.8 million than Jumbo got last year. Thornton sees the ice better and is a better playmaker, Ritchie is a better scorer, but at the end of the day their impacts are similar. They will produce at similar rates but they both make the team much slower and easier to play against. I like what Thornton brought for most of last year but at 700k.

TLDR: Ritchie was a tremendously pointless and stupid signing.
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So glad we traded for the guy from Pittsburgh only to leave him unprotected in the draft so we could keep Kerfoot and Holl.
Then signed Richie. Beautiful.
 
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy said:
So glad we traded for the guy from Pittsburgh only to leave him unprotected in the draft so we could keep Kerfoot and Holl.
Then signed Richie. Beautiful.
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I’m not willing to rake Dubas over the coals for protecting Holl, since I still think that was the right decision. You don’t give up quickly on an RHD on a cheap contract who’s been a capable top-4 at times.

But it was and remains monumentally stupid for him to go out of his way to make sure Kerfoot & Dermott were safe in the expansion draft, and even more head-slappingly stupid for him to give real money to Nick Ritchie for multiple seasons.
 
You give up on a D when you have plenty of D, especially a blue chippish RHD who you've had no room to play for a year or two.
 
Unfortunately the problem with the team this year isn't Kerfoot, McCann, or Holl. It would be a much easier fix if it was.
 
Protecting Holl was a tough decision for me. I was hoping the warning signs from the final three quarters of the season and playoffs wouldn't hold up. And hey it's tough to look good on d when the entire team is horrendously underperforming. So I'll give him time even if the sample size is growing on his horrible play.

He had a great opportunity to bolster the lineup though if he shipped kerf and didn't sign Ritchie. It was obvious. But he went a very strange direction by keeping kerf and adding a body known as Nick Ritchie for real money. That was straight up bizarre knowing what we know about this player. He has never been good. The Ritchie you see with the leafs is who Ritchie is.
 
Well the problem right now is different than what the problem could be. If Holl sucks, that's a problem. Their offense is gonna be fine... Not as sure about their d if Holl really has gone to shit. But I'll give him time. Just a little less confident in him than Auston fucking Matthews is all.
 
LeafGm said:
I’m not willing to rake Dubas over the coals for protecting Holl, since I still think that was the right decision. You don’t give up quickly on an RHD on a cheap contract who’s been a capable top-4 at times.
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Well, you're right. You don't expose the cheap, effective top 4 RHD. You expose the older, more expensive top 4 LHD.

Given the choice between Kerfoot & Muzzin, they probably take Kerfoot. If they take Muzzin, that's cool, you keep it moving. Worst case scenario and you're putting Dermott together with Holl on that 2nd pairing and giving more of the lifting to Rielly-Brodie. So even if you're short a Muzzin, you now have Kerfoot as completely superfluous because McCann is a perfectly cromulent 3C.

So even with worst case scenario (peace out Muzz) now you're entering free agency looking like this:

XXXXX- Matthews - Marner
XXXXX- Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - McCann - XXXXXX
Engvall - Spezza - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Dermott - Holl
Sandin - Lilly

So if we plug in some of our additions: Kase, Kampf, Bunting

and we look like this up front.

Kase - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - McCann - Engvall
Simmonds - Kampf - Spezza

That with the blueline comes in at ~75.7 million. More than enough money to go shopping with for a Muzzin replacement either in the summer or in trade during the season as long as you're willing to move Kerfoot either in that move or to free up the cap space to do it.

Now if Kampf shows that he's the new Danault, you can move McCann up the lineup but we're not fucked rolling a guy with a career high of 8 goals out there as a 3C if he's not actually that guy.

I'm generally pro nerd, but he's had a really bad 12 months on balance in my opinion.
 
MindzEye said:
Well, you're right. You don't expose the cheap, effective top 4 RHD. You expose the older, more expensive top 4 LHD.

Given the choice between Kerfoot & Muzzin, they probably take Kerfoot. If they take Muzzin, that's cool, you keep it moving. Worst case scenario and you're putting Dermott together with Holl on that 2nd pairing and giving more of the lifting to Rielly-Brodie. So even if you're short a Muzzin, you now have Kerfoot as completely superfluous because McCann is a perfectly cromulent 3C.

So even with worst case scenario (peace out Muzz) now you're entering free agency looking like this:

XXXXX- Matthews - Marner
XXXXX- Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - McCann - XXXXXX
Engvall - Spezza - Simmonds

Rielly - Brodie
Dermott - Holl
Sandin - Lilly

So if we plug in some of our additions: Kase, Kampf, Bunting

and we look like this up front.

Kase - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - McCann - Engvall
Simmonds - Kampf - Spezza

That with the blueline comes in at ~75.7 million. More than enough money to go shopping with for a Muzzin replacement either in the summer or in trade during the season as long as you're willing to move Kerfoot either in that move or to free up the cap space to do it.

Now if Kampf shows that he's the new Danault, you can move McCann up the lineup but we're not fucked rolling a guy with a career high of 8 goals out there as a 3C if he's not actually that guy.

I'm generally pro nerd, but he's had a really bad 12 months on balance in my opinion.
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We'll see if Muzzin is actually done, but if he returns to form that lineup is worse IMO.
 
Yeah that d corps is not cup caliber without muzzin. If muzzin is finished, sure get rid of him, but they need him if they want to compete.
 
leafman101 said:
If Holl sucks the best, most affordable replacement options were always Dermott/Sandin/LIlly anyway.
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Of course. And that was always the argument for exposing him. Not sure I would have done it but I see both sides. He had a long stretch of really bad hockey and Dermott in particular probably would hold his own with a non washed up muzzin.
 
But if he's finished you can't replace him without looking outside the organization. And they'd 100% have to if they want to win a cup.
 
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