MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Hopefully
Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15
- Thread starter Habspatrol
- Start date
Hopefully
corksens
Legend
Rumored Sens opening lines.
Our top-6 is below average and lacks too much game-breaking talent. But that is a solid 12 man unit that is defensively responsible and does have the ability to put up points by committee.
Zeke has it right though. Karlsson's dominant offensive ability is what really stirs the drink.
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
I'll be surprised if they have the balls to scratch Greening and Condra. I'd also sit Neil, but you can't have everything I suppose.
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
I don't think we're going to be that bad.
Michalek (15) - Zibanejad (20) - Chiasson (15) = 50
MacArthur (25) - Turris (25) - Ryan (35) = 85
Smith (12) - Legwand (15) - Stone (23) = 50
Hoffman (16) - Lazar (12) - Neil (9) = 37
Condra (6)
Greening (7) big year for him.... = 13
235 total from the forwards...probably too high, but I think those are all reasonably attainable numbers.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Yeah...I'll go ahead and take the under on both. Points to Corky for being realistic though. Johnny though is expecting almost as many goals out of Stone and 2 4th liners as the Sens received from their 7.25 million dollar man, and 2/3rds of the 1st line he's listed, provided last season.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Who is Stone?
leafman101
Well-known member
Yikes, that is one ugly group of forwards.
Yeah Cork's numbers look pretty realistic.
JH's numbers are all realistic on their own... but he's basically calling for career highs for almost every player.
JH's numbers are all realistic on their own... but he's basically calling for career highs for almost every player.
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
Cork also didn't count Greening or Condra, who are sure to get playing time.
Stone is a natural goal scorer, who is going to get a lot of ice time. I don't think 23 goals is an unrealistic number for him. Spezza is gone, so someone is going to take his spot on the #1 PP. That someone is most likely going to be Turris. Along with MacArthur and Ryan in all likelyhood.
Is it a stretch to suggest that Turris will score 25 this year in his expanded role when he got 26 last year?
Is it a stretch to suggest that MacArthur will score 25 this year in his expanded role when he got 24 last year?
Is it a stretch to suggest that Ryan will hit 35 when he's already done it, and has four 30+ goal seasons under his belt already?
Probably not.
Our numbers aren't even that different. I think he went high on Michalek, and low on MacArthur, plus as stated he did leave out two players I accounted for.
Provided that guys stay healthy, none of my estimates were outlandish. Some of them are pretty conservative in my opinion.
corksens
Legend
Alot of young faces on that roster but guys who can score.
Hoffman tore up the AHL last year, Stone is a natural scorer, Legwand still has game, ect.
The usual suspects like Greening, Neil and Smith will pot a few, but aren't there to score.
The real question mark is how that top line can do while drawing top pairings...and then if Michalek and Chaisson can have chemistry.
Hoffman tore up the AHL last year, Stone is a natural scorer, Legwand still has game, ect.
The usual suspects like Greening, Neil and Smith will pot a few, but aren't there to score.
The real question mark is how that top line can do while drawing top pairings...and then if Michalek and Chaisson can have chemistry.
I'm guilty of this with the Habs every year. I always convince myself that every player can score at their career high or just a little better. If I did my list for the Habs this year it would be the same thing. I'd have Pacioretty at 40, Plekanec at 30, Galchenyuk at 30, Gallagher at 25 and so on.
worm
Well-known member
Ya. The problem isnt individually.....it is as a whole. Some will go up...some will stay the same...some will go down....some will get hurt....etc
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
Valid concern. Phillips should be retired, Gryba was never more than a depth guy and Cowen...is Cowen.
LeafGm
Well-known member
Each taken on their own, none of those predictions are a stretch. But if you think all of them will come true in the same year, you're going to have a bad time. It's pretty rare that every top-6 forward on a team has a career year in the same season.
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
You could argue that Turris' line already had that assignment last year.
Spezza's line was getting fed constantly. I know everyone downplays a guy's contributions when he's traded away, but I really believe that Ottawa is going to be better off without Spezza.
He's a lazy hockey player. I know people still argue about this. Most of Spezza's fanboys and haters will never change their tunes, but I was swayed from fanboy to hater. He really put me off last season. One game early where he just let Getzlaf walk by him and the puck ended up in our net soon after was one of the big turning points for me. Always curling away, never finishing his checks. The weak stick wave at a guy blowing past him. The giveaways. The blind passes. The toe drags.
He was a freaking -26. People can and do argue that plus/minus is meaningless, but for your supposed best player and leader to be that far in to the minus, and his supposed understudy (Turris) is just about that high on the plus side...there's a problem.
He was everything that was wrong with the team. Soft and lazy. The guy is a loser. His teams have never won at any level.
It's just a shame to see what he became here. I thought when he was working out with Roberts that he was finally getting serious about his career. If a guy with that much talent had the work ethic to go along with it, he could have been the player we all thought he could be.
There is a reason that Team Canada never even considers him. They didn't even invite him to the WHC a few years back when the Sens missed the playoffs. How sad is that?
Anyway sorry for the mini Spezza rant, but I feel better now.