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Leafs/Habs/Sens 2014-15

Habspatrol said:
That was the 12-13 season. We're entering the 14-15 season. It was pretty long ago.

But hey, if you're that confident in your Sens I'm willing to bet that the Habs finish higher in the standings. I mean the Sens did beat part of the Habs line-up tonight after all.
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Shhhh...no tears.
 
The debate over the merits of having a goon is going on over on the Habs board. Couldn't be happier we appear to be moving away from the likes of Orr/McLaren.
 
wasn't tinordi playing? he should be goon enough.

though he can't play hockey very well.
 
Yeah Tinordi should have gone after Neil next time he was on the ice. Not sure why he didn't.

Tinordi is alright for what he is. A 3rd pairing guy. I don't think his potential is any higher than maybe a #4.
 
And I agree that goons are useless these days. Your tough guy needs to be able to play hockey too.
 
Habspatrol said:
Yeah Tinordi should have gone after Neil next time he was on the ice. Not sure why he didn't.

Tinordi is alright for what he is. A 3rd pairing guy. I don't think his potential is any higher than maybe a #4.
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That's "perfect" though. That's really all you need, or even want fighting. If you have a legit #5/6 defender or 3rd/4th line forward (preferably a winger) who can legitimately play a shift, and scrap...that's legit "team toughness".
 
MindzEye said:
That's "perfect" though. That's really all you need, or even want fighting. If you have a legit #5/6 defender or 3rd/4th line forward (preferably a winger) who can legitimately play a shift, and scrap...that's legit "team toughness".
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For sure. I would have loved the Habs to sign Deryk Engelland but damn he got paid too much. But the guy is a legit heavyweight face smasher and he can play a solid #5/6 dman and also can play 4th line wing and not be a liability. Again though, the Flames paid too much.

If Tinordi han become a legit heavyweight contender he'll be a great addition to the Habs. From the fights I've seen him in he's not quite as tough as his size yet.
 
Komisarek was never a good #4.

And if by "bang and crash", you mean "cross-check opponents repeatedly", then sure.
 
LeafGm said:
Komisarek was never a good #4.

And if by "bang and crash", you mean "cross-check opponents repeatedly", then sure.
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When he played with the Habs he most definitely was a good #4 who was amongst the league leaders in hits for a couple years.
 
Habspatrol said:
When he played with the Habs he most definitely was a good #4 who was amongst the league leaders in hits for a couple years.
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Whenever we played you guys, even during the "peak" of Komisarek's career, I always though he looked like a borderline bottom pairing defenseman with poor puck skills, low hockey IQ, a high panic threshold and serious mobility issues. That's why I was so upset the moment it was announced that we'd signed the guy.

Maybe, after burning a top-10 pick on him (and missing out on Mikko Koivu by one pick) you Hab fans just wanted him to be good so badly that you turned a blind eye to his flaws? There were a lot of Leaf fans with a similar affliction where Luke Schenn was concerned.
 
LeafGm said:
Whenever we played you guys, even during the "peak" of Komisarek's career, I always though he looked like a borderline bottom pairing defenseman with poor puck skills, low hockey IQ, a high panic threshold and serious mobility issues. That's why I was so upset the moment it was announced that we'd signed the guy.

Maybe, after burning a top-10 pick on him (and missing out on Mikko Koivu by one pick) you Hab fans just wanted him to be good so badly that you turned a blind eye to his flaws? There were a lot of Leaf fans with a similar affliction where Luke Schenn was concerned.
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Or maybe your hatred of the Habs blinded you? If you haven't noticed, something like that would lead to Hab fans resenting and hating him more, not turning a blind eye.

There's a reason that the Leafs paid him... he was pretty alright while in Montreal.
 
2yr paces:


C N.Kadri (24): 16:53, 25g/61p (126gm)
C K.Turris (25): 19:04, 23g/55p (130gm)
C D.Desharnais (28): 16:55, 17g/52p (127gm)

W P.Kessel (27): 20:21, 36g/83p (130gm)
W B.Ryan (27): 16:45, 24g/55p (116gm)
W M.Pacioretty (26): 17:45, 38g/69p (117gm)

W J.Lupul (31): 18:02, 32g/60p (85gm)
W C.MacArthur (29): 16:43, 22g/52p (119gm)
W P.Parenteau (31): 17:59, 26g/61p (103gm)


C T.Bozak (28): 20:40, 24g/61p (104gm)
C D.Legwand (34): 17:31, 16g/48p (131gm)
C T.Plekanec (32): 19:35, 22g/49p (128gm)

W J.VanRyk (25): 20:21, 31g/60p (128gm)
W M.Michalek (30): 17:43, 16g/41p (105gm)
W A.Galchenyuk (20): 13:30, 16g/42p (113gm)

W B.Kozun (24): ----
W A.Chiasson (24): 15:01, 18g/40p (86gm)
W B.Gallagher (22): 15:13, 22g/45p (125gm)


C M.Santorelli (29): 15:49, 12g/32p (83gm)
C M.Zibanejad (21): 14:03, 17g/39p (111gm)
C L.Eller (25): 15:33, 13g/37p (123gm)

W D.Winnik (29): 15:57, 8g/32p (124gm)
W C.Greening (28): 14:08, 9g/24p (123gm)
W R.Bourque (33): 14:50, 15g/26p (90gm)

W D.Clarkson (30): 16:13, 15g/27p (108gm)
W E.Condra (28): 12:14, 7g/19p (124gm)
W B.Prust (30): 13:10, 10g/25p (90gm)


C P.Holland (23): 11:27, 12g/21p (64gm)
C Z.Smith (26): 15:24, 11g/23p (130gm)
C M.Malhotra (35): 11:33, 7g/14p (78gm)

W D.Booth (30): 13:21, 11g/23p (78gm)
W M.Hoffman (25): 13:05, 9g/18p (28gm)
W D.Wiese (26): 8:52, 7g/17p (101gm)

W L.Komarov (27): 13:56, 8g/18p (42gm)
W C.Neil (35): 12:36, 8g/17p (124gm)
W T.Moen (30): 11:35, 3g/14p (110gm)


W J.Leivo (21): 9:52, 12g/23p (7gm)
W M.Stone (22): 13:41, 14g/29p (23gm)
W J.Sekac (22): ----

W M.Nylander (18): ----
W J.Pageau (22): 10:33, 9g/13p (37gm)
W M.Bournival (22): 10:19, 10g/19p (60gm)




D D.Phaneuf (29): 24:11, 11g/38p (128gm)
D E.Karlsson (24): 27:05, 21g/73p (99gm)
D P.Subban (24): 24:09, 14g/60p (124gm)

D S.Robidas (37): 21:19, 6g/22p (86gm)
D M.Methot (29): 21:56, 5g/23p (122gm)
D A.Markov (36): 24:49, 11g/46p (129gm)


D J.Gardiner (24): 21:00, 9g/31p (92gm)
D J.Cowen (23): 21:30, 8g/18p (75gm)
D T.Gilbert (30): 20:35, 4g/29p (116gm)

D C.Franson (27): 20:00, 6g/41p (124gm)
D C.Phillips (36): 19:58, 4g/20p (118gm)
D A.Emelin (28): 19:25, 5g/25p (97gm)


D R.Polak (28): 17:46, 3g/14p (120gm)
D E.Gryba (26): 18:31, 4g/16p (90gm)
D M.Weaver (36): 18:56, 2g/18p (99gm)

D M.Rielly (20): 17:37, 2g/30p (73gm)
D C.Ceci (21): 17:12, 5g/15p (49gm)
D N.Beaulieu (22): 13:47, 0g/14p (23gm)

D S.Percy (21): ---
D P.Wiercioch (24): 16:04, 8g/36p (95gm)
D J.Tinordi (22): 13:46, 0g/11p (30gm)




G J.Bernier (26): .922sv% (69gm)
G C.Anderson (33): .919sv% (77gm)
G C.Price (27): .919sv% (98gm)

G J.Reimer (26): .917sv% (69gm)
G R.Lehner (23): .920sv% (48gm)
G P.Budaj (32): .909sv% (37gm)
 
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Habspatrol said:
Or maybe your hatred of the Habs blinded you? If you haven't noticed, something like that would lead to Hab fans resenting and hating him more, not turning a blind eye.

There's a reason that the Leafs paid him... he was pretty alright while in Montreal.
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I think my evaluation of Hab players is actually pretty good, actually. I don't let my feelings about a team influence my evaluation of individual players. Take PK Subban, for example. For all the bashing of him that goes in on the media and among fans in general, you'll be hard pressed to find me saying a negative word about the guy. I love his personality, I love his talent and I've loved the way he's played the game since I first saw him in the WJC. That's why, during his contract negotiations, I said that you guys would have to pay top dollar for him, but should be more than happy to do so.

Then there's Carey Price. During the years when a lot of the mental midgets on the Hab board wanted him booted out of town, I defended the guy. Or Brendan Gallagher. I may hate the team he plays for, AND I think he's a little shit-stain, but I fully acknowledge he's a little shit-stain in the mold of Darcy Tucker that you'd love to have on your own team. Don't think I've ever had anything bad to say about Max Pacioretty either. The trend here, is that if a Hab player is actually good, I have no problem at all acknowledging it.

But Mike Komisarek? Sorry, but he didn't become an awful, borderline-at-best NHL defenseman the moment he pulled on a Leaf jersey. That's what he was with the Habs too, but because he was your big "Komisaurus" on a team full of midgets at the time, a lot of you Hab fans turned a blind eye to the calibre of player he really was.
 
LeafGm said:
I think my evaluation of Hab players is actually pretty good, actually. I don't let my feelings about a team influence my evaluation of individual players. Take PK Subban, for example. For all the bashing of him that goes in on the media and among fans in general, you'll be hard pressed to find me saying a negative word about the guy. I love his personality, I love his talent and I've loved the way he's played the game since I first saw him in the WJC. That's why, during his contract negotiations, I said that you guys would have to pay top dollar for him, but should be more than happy to do so.

Then there's Carey Price. During the years when a lot of the mental midgets on the Hab board wanted him booted out of town, I defended the guy. Or Brendan Gallagher. I may hate the team he plays for, AND I think he's a little shit-stain, but I fully acknowledge he's a little shit-stain in the mold of Darcy Tucker that you'd love to have on your own team. Don't think I've ever had anything bad to say about Max Pacioretty either. The trend here, is that if a Hab player is actually good, I have no problem at all acknowledging it.
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And I don't blindly love all Hab players. I have plenty of honest, negative criticisms of Habs players past and present. I'm the same with Leaf players. I defended the Kessel trade long before most Leaf fans and still do to this day.

But Mike Komisarek? Sorry, but he didn't become an awful, borderline-at-best NHL defenseman the moment he pulled on a Leaf jersey. That's what he was with the Habs too, but because he was your big "Komisaurus" on a team full of midgets at the time, a lot of you Hab fans turned a blind eye to the calibre of player he really was.
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He actually started to suck in his final year with the Habs but he was a solid #4 for a couple years before that. Look it's not like I'm saying he was elite by any means. But the guy was decent for a bit and was at the top of the league in hits. Hell in 06-07 he even had 19 points which put him 95th amongst dmen which offensively is even in that #4 position and he wasn't an offensive damn. He was a physical dman.

Definitely a solid #4.
 
Komi was a solid D for a few years, then lost it. But Tinordi isn't really a Komi type D - his upside is essentially Hal Gill who can skate.
 
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