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Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

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Liljegren with his first goal as a Marlie. They're up 2-1.


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Leafin' said:
Forever.
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draft for high skill and sign every euro free agent we can. Just being in a city like Toronto instead of Binghamton or Adirondack is a huge selling feature for these euro kids wanting to give north America a shot.

Yeah we're not going to have the willy type prospects rolling through their very often but kids like kappy and Timmy absolutely.

But it's the timashovs, braccos, etc that this type of move would be for. Open up top 6 ice time for them.
 
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Yeah, there's two main things I like about the idea of a second AHL team.

One would be the additional opportunities we'd have for our skilled prospects. There's only so much power-play time and top-6 minutes to go around. Not to mention Dzierkals has been demoted to the ECHL after a pretty impressive rookie camp & training camp, and Jeremy Bracco's been a healthy scratch for the Marlies' first two games.

The other big consideration is goaltender development. There's only one crease, and about 75 total starts to go around, which doesn't lend itself to being able to develop multiple goalie prospects at once. And since young goalies are such crap shoots, you don't want to be forced to cut bait on one early because you've got no available starts for him.

I also don't think you can take the view that because we've got a good team and a bunch of good prospects, that now we don't have to worry anymore about "stockpiling" prospects. That's got it backwards, actually. Once all the kids are on their hefty contracts, a steady pipeline of good, cheap, NHL-ready young talent will be more critical than ever.
 
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4-3 Marlies so far. Goals by Rychel, Liljegren, B. Smith and Johnsson.


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Game over. Marlies go to 2-0. They should have a great year in front of them as well.


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Grundstrom is my personal favourite Leafs prospect right now. I think he could play with us right now tbh.


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Grundstrom is the obvious replacement for Komorov next year and might be better and cheaper. Nice to have him.
 
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I'm not 100% sold on Grundstrom's offensive upside. Whenever a player has a really lopsided goals-to-assists ratio like Grundstrom did last year (16 goals, 4 assists), it raises concerns for me that they don't possess offensive vision that'll translate to the NHL. His production also cratered in the SHL playoffs (1 goal, 1 assist in 14 games).

On the upside, production is production, and his numbers last year were really impressive for an 18/19 year old playing in the SHL. Equally impressive was him jumping directly into the AHL playoffs and producing.

If he can improve his numbers in the SHL this year, and then hit the ground running with the Marlies again once his SHL season is over (SHL regular season ends in early March, playoffs finish in mid-April), then I'll really start to get excited.
 
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LeafGm said:
I'm not 100% sold on Grundstrom's offensive upside. Whenever a player has a really lopsided goals-to-assists ratio like Grundstrom did last year (16 goals, 4 assists), it raises concerns for me that they don't possess offensive vision that'll translate to the NHL. His production also cratered in the SHL playoffs (1 goal, 1 assist in 14 games).

On the upside, production is production, and his numbers last year were really impressive for an 18/19 year old playing in the SHL. Equally impressive was him jumping directly into the AHL playoffs and producing.

If he can improve his numbers in the SHL this year, and then hit the ground running with the Marlies again once his SHL season is over (SHL regular season ends in early March, playoffs finish in mid-April), then I'll really start to get excited.
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I think those concerns are fair but I like him for different reasons. I think he brings enough of the jam that coaches usually fall in love with (and tempts them into playing offensive black holes) while he should still be able to contribute offensively. I suspect he'd fit in nicely on any line which seems like just the kind of player we'll need for cheap going forward.
 
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He was 19 playing in the SHL. He had 15 assists in 27 games in the U20 league at 16 and 8 in 8 games in the U18 league at 15. He's definitely more goal scorer than playmaker, but he scored a lot of goals as a teenager in the SHL.

U20 Goals SHL since 1997
1. Peter Forsberg - 39 gp, 23, 0.59 gpg
2. Patric Hornqvist - 49 gp, 23, 0.47 gpg
3. Markus Naslund - 39 gp, 22 , 0.56 gpg
4. Nicklas Jensen - 50 gp, 17 gls - 0.34 gpg
5. Daniel Sedin - 50 gp, 16 gls - 0.32 gpg
5. Alexander Wennberg - 50 gp, 16 - 0.32 gpg
7. Andreas Johnson - 44 gp, 15, 0.34 gpg
8. Jonas Hoglund - 40 gp, 14, 0.35 gpg
8. Carl Grundstrom - 45 gp, 14, 0.31 gpg
10. Nicklas Backstrom - 45 , 12, 0.27 gpg

Maybe he is the next Nik Jensen, but there are a lot of players on that list that could score at the NHL level.
 
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He was 19 playing in the SHL. He had 15 assists in 27 games in the U20 league at 16 and 8 in 8 games in the U18 league at 15. He's definitely more goal scorer than playmaker, but he scored a lot of goals as a teenager in the SHL.

U20 Goals SHL since 1997
1. Peter Forsberg - 39 gp, 23, 0.59 gpg
2. Patric Hornqvist - 49 gp, 23, 0.47 gpg
3. Markus Naslund - 39 gp, 22 , 0.56 gpg
4. Nicklas Jensen - 50 gp, 17 gls - 0.34 gpg
5. Daniel Sedin - 50 gp, 16 gls - 0.32 gpg
5. Alexander Wennberg - 50 gp, 16 - 0.32 gpg
7. Andreas Johnson - 44 gp, 15, 0.34 gpg
8. Jonas Hoglund - 40 gp, 14, 0.35 gpg
8. Carl Grundstrom - 45 gp, 14, 0.31 gpg
10. Nicklas Backstrom - 45 , 12, 0.27 gpg

Maybe he is the next Nik Jensen, but there are a lot of players on that list that could score at the NHL level.
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He's no jonas hoglund
 
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Johnsson is another guy people are going to love. He's kinda like a Swedish Connor Brown. Guy you can play anywhere in the lineup and he'll be effective.
 
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assists in europe are weird.

Grundstrom sold me in preseason. he's got the speed, hands, shot, release, and nose for the net to be a scorer, imo. way better than inexpected.
 
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Deckie007 said:
Johnsson is another guy people are going to love. He's kinda like a Swedish Connor Brown. Guy you can play anywhere in the lineup and he'll be effective.
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Yeah, I'm a big fan.

I'd lump him in with Leivo & Kapanen as a guy who could easily play in the NHL and make an impact right now.
 
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Here's some prospect news & notes, and updated numbers for all of our prospects:



  • Our 2016 2nd rounder, Yegor Korshkov, has not had a good start to his KHL season. Through his first 19 games of the season, he had a grand total of 1 goal, 2 assists & 3 points. He's also playing with the same linemates as last year, and getting solid 3rd line minutes, so there's no easy excuse for him there.

    Combined with last season's numbers, since returning from his broken leg, Korshkov had two goals and six points in a 34 game stretch. Ouch. But he is starting to show some signs of life. In his last three games, he has three goals & two assists.

  • Martins Dzierkals is the one mystery man among our prospects at this point. With everybody else, it's known where they're going to spend the season, but Dzierkals was initially assigned to the ECHL, played no games down there, was recalled to the Marlies and has played in none of their five games.

  • 2016 5th rounder Vladimir Bobylev (aka Bobylyov) spent time in camp with the Marlies, but after he was demoted to the ECHL Orlando Solar Bears, he opted for a return to the KHL rather than an ECHL stint.

  • Despite Babcock's talk about finding one of their goalies somewhere else to play, for now, the Marlies are going ahead with their three-headed goalie platoon. The Marlies played three games in three nights this weekend and Garret Sparks, Calvin Pickard & Kasimir Kaskisuo each started one game.

  • Jeremy Bracco scored his first professional point today, picking up the lone assist on a Ben Smith goal. They appear to be easing Bracco in to professional hockey. He hasn't been injured, but the games he played this weekend (Friday & Sunday) were his first two games of the season.

  • Good news and bad news for Pierre Engvall. The good news is that he's graduated to the SHL full-time from the Swedish lower-leagues for the first time in his career. He also has a goal and four points in his first eight games. The bad news is that he broke his clavicle in his last game, and will be out for three months.

  • Jesper Lindgren's offensive totals aren't particularly impressive, but apparently he is playing top-pairing minutes. This is his first season in the Finnish Liiga, after playing in various levels of Swedish hockey up until this year.

  • Eemeli Rasanen, the 6'7" right-handed defenseman the Leafs drafted in the 2nd round last year, has started the season with three goals and nine points in nine games, which has him tied for his team's scoring lead. Last season, Rasanen had only six goals and 39 points all season.

  • Our WHL goalie prospect Ian Scott started the first 41 minutes of his team's season, then appeared to injured his groin (officially termed a "lower body" injury) while making a save. He's been out of the lineup since then, with no real updates available on his condition.

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