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JackBurton said:
I recruit for some companies making prefab homes. It has not taken off yet in N.America, but is big in Europe. Sure, you home won't explode in value but you aren't going into debt getting it and don't have to deal with multiple bidders.
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It's my only hope of actually owning a home. It would be nice if municipalities weren't such assholes about when you're allowed to put them.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
I'm saying that even when you appear to have transit-centric development it doesn't work that great in North America because people won't get rid of their cars no matter what. It works better in Europe where not owning a car is more commonplace.
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Except that's not really true in practice at all. Where there is good rail/subway service in north america, it gets usage in line with anywhere else in the world. It's almost like most people aren't remotely as ideological about transportation as people like you want to make them seem, and they just want to get where they're going as quickly and efficiently as possible or something.


Daily Trips/Population/System Length

London Underground: 4M/9M/402km
Paris Metro: 6.75M/12.3M/226km
Brussels Metro: 415K/1.2M/40km
Copenhagen Metro: 201K/1.4M/38km
Toronto Subway: 934K/2.9M/71km
Vancouver Skytrain: 427K/2.5M/80km
Montreal Metro: 670K/1.8M/69km
New York Subway: 3.2M/9M/399km
Berlin U-Bahn: 1.5M/3.7M/156km
Vienna U-Bahn: 1.4M/2M/83km
Sao Paola Metro: 2.9M/22.6M/104km
Mexico City: 2.8M/22M/201km
Shanghai Metro: 7.7M/24.7M/795km
Tokyo Metro:7.6M/37M/304km

I could go on and list more, but this provides more than enough example.

If you build it, people use it, point blank period. Systems that are better, faster, and more comprehensive will draw a higher percentage of total trips than shittier systems when competing with road based transit (of any type).

The rest of what you said is a myth that suburban white people who like trucks tell each other to feel better about their choices. It's not the reality when actual choice is provided for moving around.
 
lecoqsportif said:
Suburbs and exurbs are served by integrated regional lines. Another 174K for Montreal.

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Yeah, I'm avoiding regional rail in the conversation for now because we're slowly getting our heads out of our asses on that, and it's really where Europeans and Asias are deep dicking north america in transit. We can argue that Canadian cities should have more KM's of subway (they should, probably 1.5-2x more than they currently have), but we're at least fairly competitive on a per capita basis when it comes to KM's/stations. But regional rail? Woof. GTA is finally getting it's shit together, but in classic Toronto fashion it's taking twice as long as it was originally scheduled to take and will still end up okay, just okay when they're done the projects currently underway.
 
MindzEye said:
Except that's not really true in practice at all. Where there is good rail/subway service in north america, it gets usage in line with anywhere else in the world. It's almost like most people aren't remotely as ideological about transportation as people like you want to make them seem, and they just want to get where they're going as quickly and efficiently as possible or something.


Daily Trips/Population/System Length

London Underground: 4M/9M/402km
Paris Metro: 6.75M/12.3M/226km
Brussels Metro: 415K/1.2M/40km
Copenhagen Metro: 201K/1.4M/38km
Toronto Subway: 934K/2.9M/71km
Vancouver Skytrain: 427K/2.5M/80km
Montreal Metro: 670K/1.8M/69km
New York Subway: 3.2M/9M/399km
Berlin U-Bahn: 1.5M/3.7M/156km
Vienna U-Bahn: 1.4M/2M/83km
Sao Paola Metro: 2.9M/22.6M/104km
Mexico City: 2.8M/22M/201km
Shanghai Metro: 7.7M/24.7M/795km
Tokyo Metro:7.6M/37M/304km

I could go on and list more, but this provides more than enough example.

If you build it, people use it, point blank period. Systems that are better, faster, and more comprehensive will draw a higher percentage of total trips than shittier systems when competing with road based transit (of any type).

The rest of what you said is a myth that suburban white people who like trucks tell each other to feel better about their choices. It's not the reality when actual choice is provided for moving around.
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If you build it, they will come.

And you don't have to ban cars. If people in Vancouver want a car to drive out on weekends to go skiing/surfing, go ahead. But I think Vancouver is removing some of the parking minimums on new development too, which should also help prevent people who don't use transit from wanting to get into some of those developments and keep the price down slightly.
 
MindzEye said:
No, but eventually I'd like to see downtown cores at minimum reclaim some streets from cars for pedestrian usage only and super eventually have downtown become toll driven like Manhattan and some other extremely busy downtown cores are.
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100% this. Toronto could do this , especially as it shifts from office to residential.
 
Deckie007 said:
It's my only hope of actually owning a home. It would be nice if municipalities weren't such assholes about when you're allowed to put them.
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And why do you suppose that is? Because municipal politicians are bought and paid for by real estate developers/speculators who only want to build things on which they can max out on the profits. Prefab homes, like affordable housing, don't make enough profit. In a capitalist society, your need for an affordable roof over your head is always trumped by the developer's desire to make just a little more money.
 
UWHabs said:
If you build it, they will come.

And you don't have to ban cars. If people in Vancouver want a car to drive out on weekends to go skiing/surfing, go ahead. But I think Vancouver is removing some of the parking minimums on new development too, which should also help prevent people who don't use transit from wanting to get into some of those developments and keep the price down slightly.
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Vancouver is almost at the point where you're going to need to apply for a separate mortgage for your parking space.
 
I don't see municipalities preventing prefab development. leader in prefab is Japan. There's less of it here, but I don't believe that's due to municipal permitting.
 
Yeah, and if developers could use prefab to improve their profit margins, they would.

Vancouver construction prices are super high, but it’s the cost of land that makes the market truly absurd.
 
The prefab market must exist here, I was at the halton hills outlet mall (I think it's called the Toronto outlets but it's in milton). They have a tiny home demo area and full store to design your own.

Land costs are brutal though
 
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