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it's ballsy exactly because of the way Mindz is reacting to it.

And everyone already drives at least 110 or 120 (and should) in 100-km zones like the 400 and 401 because 100 is too fucking slow, and I'm pretty sure not every single person that gets into a car accident on these highways dies, because 100-110 is totally survivable but 120 is insta-death. Most accidents are related to merging and aggressive driving anyways, not regular flow of traffic going 123 instead of 118 or whatever. And modern cars are WAY safer than they used to be.

Less speeding tickets for people driving what should be the normal speed limit, and get more aggressive on people driving dangerously.
 
MindzEye said:
I'll give Doug credit for pushing transit forward since getting elected (after spending a few decades actively obstructing transit builds) and it takes time to build out a proper network that changes trip behaviour meaningfully. But decisions like this just appeal to the worst drivers among us and will lead to more funerals.
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Also wanted to comment on this quickly. The Toronto subway is great. Once you venture into any other element of regular public transit, it fucking sucks. I'm sure there are some GO routes and trains that work really well. I am absolutely not arguing that they shouldn't be working on better public transit. In fact, it should be priority #1. BUILD ME A MONORAIL!!!

But let's not pretend that something that will take decades means you can't change any other driving rules in the interim, because that doesn't make any sense.
 
axlsalinger said:
it's ballsy exactly because of the way Mindz is reacting to it.

And everyone already drives at least 110 or 120 (and should) in 100-km zones like the 400 and 401 because 100 is too fucking slow, and I'm pretty sure not every single person that gets into a car accident on these highways dies, because 100-110 is totally survivable but 120 is insta-death. Most accidents are related to merging and aggressive driving anyways, not regular flow of traffic going 123 instead of 118 or whatever. And modern cars are WAY safer than they used to be.

Less speeding tickets for people driving what should be the normal speed limit, and get more aggressive on people driving dangerously.
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But mouth breathers, which lets face it is a majority, eat this shit up.
 
axlsalinger said:
it's ballsy exactly because of the way Mindz is reacting to it.

And everyone already drives at least 110 or 120 (and should) in 100-km zones like the 400 and 401 because 100 is too fucking slow, and I'm pretty sure not every single person that gets into a car accident on these highways dies, because 100-110 is totally survivable but 120 is insta-death. Most accidents are related to merging and aggressive driving anyways, not regular flow of traffic going 123 instead of 118 or whatever. And modern cars are WAY safer than they used to be.

Less speeding tickets for people driving what should be the normal speed limit, and get more aggressive on people driving dangerously.
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A solution in search of a problem. Ontario has near world leading road safety numbers. Fewer accidents and fatalities per km than almost anywhere else on the planet. That should be the goal of a highway system. How many people can get where they're going efficiently and safely. Trading a few minutes off of a trip for significantly higher rates fatality rates (BC saw a 20% fatality increase on highways they raised the speed limit of in 2015 and later rolled them back because that's kind of bad) is fucking dumb.

Raising a speed limit because average speeds are higher than the limit does nothing but push the average travel speed higher and yes, the difference in survival rates between 105 and 120 is insane. You are twice as likely to die in a crash when your travel speed is 120kmh (not your contact speed, which as previously noted, is nearly 100% fatal) as you are at 105. The reduction in available reaction time is more than you think, the increase in stopping distance (about 30m) is more than you think, and the additional energy on impact (about 40-50% more because that's how physics works) is more than you think.

We're bags of meat mate, we're very very squishy in the grand scheme of things.
 
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axlsalinger said:
Also wanted to comment on this quickly. The Toronto subway is great. Once you venture into any other element of regular public transit, it fucking sucks.
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Well, a couple of things. 1) This just kind of isn't fucking true. LRT's are also mostly dope (Finch West notwithstanding until they sort out some issues) and anywhere that has high frequency GO train in the region is fucking incredible. 2) The main reason our transit network isn't vastly superior to the one that we have currently is decades of under investment and shit political decisions, and not a problem inherent to public rail networks.

axlsalinger said:
But let's not pretend that something that will take decades means you can't change any other driving rules in the interim, because that doesn't make any sense.
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The change already doesn't make sense for reasons stated. That it will induce more car trips is just a shit cherry on what is already a shit sundae.
 
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MindzEye said:
A solution in search of a problem. Ontario has near world leading road safety numbers. Fewer accidents and fatalities per km than almost anywhere else on the planet. That should be the goal of a highway system. How many people can get where they're going efficiently and safely. Trading a few minutes off of a trip for significantly higher rates fatality rates (BC saw a 20% fatality increase on highways they raised the speed limit of in 2015 and later rolled them back because that's kind of bad) is fucking dumb.

Raising a speed limit because average speeds are higher than the limit does nothing but push the average travel speed higher and yes, the difference in survival rates between 105 and 120 is insane. You are twice as likely to die in a crash when your travel speed (not your contact speed, which as previously noted, is nearly 100% fatal) as 105. The reduction in available reaction time is more than you think, the increase in stopping distance (about 30m) is more than you think, and the additional energy on impact (about 40-50% more because that's how physics works) is more than you think.

We're bags of meat mate, we're very very squishy in the grand scheme of things.
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Sounds like you need an F350
 
axlsalinger said:
sure it will, they will just eat more junk food, and drive more often and faster
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There is no correlation between cheaper prices at the grocery store and eating more junk food.

There is correlation between speed on the highway and fatalities on the highway.

Mate, just admit that your only concern is going vroom vroom on the highway because it makes you feel good and you don't give a fuck about the rest of the drivers on the road. That way you can stop making silly arguments like this.
 
Also while we're at it, speed limits in residential neighbourhoods should be 30.

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To Zeke's point:

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There has obviously been reductions that mostly come down to improvements in auto technology, and improved enforcement/compliance (Seatbelts, DUI, etc).

But there's only so much it can do when it's trying to keep squishy bags of meat alive under those types of forces.
 
On the one-hand, I agree this move is Dougie just doing his typical move of going back to the populist well to distract from his hilarious corruption, mismanagement and increasing unpopularity.

On the other hand, let's be honest here. If given the choice/opportunity depending on the traffic conditions, who the fuck here actually drives at Mindz's "safe" speed of 105 Km/h or less on any of the 400-series highways? Come on now. 115-120 km/hr is the minimum.
 
MindzEye said:
There is no correlation between cheaper prices at the grocery store and eating more junk food.

There is correlation between speed on the highway and fatalities on the highway.

Mate, just admit that your only concern is going vroom vroom on the highway because it makes you feel good and you don't give a fuck about the rest of the drivers on the road. That way you can stop making silly arguments like this.
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this is your dumbest post yet. Thinking speed limits of 80, 90, or 100 in parts of the province where they are clearly and obviously too low to everybody driving on them, means that they... "don't give a fuck about the rest of the drivers on the road"? Come on man, that is an absolutely ludicrous position to take.

And by the way, this new change refers specifically to "highways". They aren't advocating upping the speed limit in school zones to 80.

Mindz dream car:

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