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OT: American Politics

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MindzEye said:
But...that's the ****ing job. You're given a tremendous amount of authority to wield, that has to come with some responsibility, no?

I mean, there certainly has to be a line somewhere concerning acceptable behaviour and not. Where is it then if tasing a dead dude after shooting him...9...times isn't it?
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So if a guy is dead what is the reason for tasering him? Sick pleasure?

Maybe it was deployed accidentally?
 
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corksens said:
So if a guy is dead what is the reason for tasering him? Sick pleasure?
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Inability to handle themselves in a crisis? I mean, that's exactly what you're claiming is the reason they shot dude 9 times afterall...

Maybe it was deployed accidentally?
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After 9 gun shots (extremely ****ing loud in an enclosed area) are fired? That's a hell of a whoopsie.
 
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WAIT....did somebody say a 3 inch knife? THREE EFFEN INCHES?

I have a four inch knife in the car and when I went on the field I routinely put on a 10 inch hunting knife. Obviously, I should be shot on sight.
 
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If the guy is dead, what is the issue?

I mean, ultimately the two ends of the spectrum are "they have a dead person taser fetish" or "the man wasn't dead and moved the knife".
 
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If you have to ask what the issue is with police popping 9 bullets into someone, then tasing him, I'm concerned for you.
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
This isn't at all that difficult to comprehend: don't brandish a weapon at police officers and you won't be shot. Pretty simple concept to follow, especially at the age of eighteen.
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No one's saying the kid's innocent. But we'll never know now why he did what he did. Maybe he decided to kill himself, and decided to go for the "suicide by cop" method. Maybe he was suffering from a mental disorder that his family and close friends were't aware of, and snapped. Maybe he decided that trying to kill some police officers with a tiny knife would be good fun.

No matter what though, the duty of police is "to protect and serve". And that duty to protect includes protecting the life of a potentially mentally-disturbed 18 year-old wielding a weapon that posed very little threat to them or anyone else.

JaysCyYoung said:
And yet they still tried to perform CPR and resuscitation techniques on him afterwards, the monsters!
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What, I'm supposed to praise the people who shot him nine times for making a futile effort to save his life afterwards?
 
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Meh, I don't feel bad for the dude at all. This isn't like the Zimmerman situation where a life was taken needlessly due to one bigoted vigilante.

This is someone vying for a Darwin Award, like the people who run road stops in Iraq and Afghanistan with kids in their car.
 
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corksens said:
Go ahead and taser a knife wielding person. And when they fall on that blade the result is close to the same.
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Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Even if that is to happen, how, is that any danger toanyone else?

corksens said:
Who knows what this guy had on his mind. Maybe he was suicidal. Death by cops happens alot.
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Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Why would the cops oblige him? He has a freaken three inch blade. They have BULLET PROOF vests. BULLET PROOF. You can't penetrate those vests if you sat there an hour trying while consuming two timmies and a box of donuts.
 
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I don't believe the size of the knife has been released yet. Either way it's still a deadly weapon capable of inflicting serious damage. A few years ago I had a cop who was sliced by a box cutter. 3 years later they're still not on active duty due to the fact that their left hand is now numb and mostly useless.

People who think they know how to disarm a determined individual with a knife, are the idiots who end up stabbed in the entertainment district.

As for the taser, it's possible he was still struggling. We're also assuming all nine rounds were effective hits. There is also the possibility that he was on drugs and still fighting after being hit. The video barely shoes the kid when he's standing. We have zero idea what he was doing after being hit.

As for leafs gm, his obvious hatred for the police makes his opinions as valid as kb's arguments for anything.
 
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HabsAddict said:
Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Even if that is to happen, how, is that any danger toanyone else?



Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Why would the cops oblige him? He has a freaken three inch blade. They have BULLET PROOF vests. BULLET PROOF. You can't penetrate those vests if you sat there an hour trying while consuming two timmies and a box of donuts.
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The vests they wear are bullet resistant, and will only bullets up to a certain calibres and firing distances. They also don't provide 100% coverage of the vital organs. Very easy to get a blade in through one of the openings
 
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corksens said:
A knife can easily penetrate a bullet proof vest.

Think about what you wrote. Think hard.
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Yup.

The ballistic vests that the police wear aren't the same as the military. The military wears ones that are able to absorb rifle rounds and prevent penetration from knives and bayonets.

The ones the police wear are significantly less durable and are only designed for small handguns. A knife will go right through them, even a comparatively small one. They're designed for less invasive threats.

Basically ceramic plates >>> non-plates.
 
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HabsAddict said:
Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Even if that is to happen, how, is that any danger toanyone else?



Think about what you wrote. Think hard. Why would the cops oblige him? He has a freaken three inch blade. They have BULLET PROOF vests. BULLET PROOF. You can't penetrate those vests if you sat there an hour trying while consuming two timmies and a box of donuts.
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[video=youtube;G2y8Sx4B2Sk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/video]
 
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JaysCyYoung said:
Yup.

The ballistic vests that the police wear aren't the same as the military. The military wears ones that are able to absorb rifle rounds and prevent penetration from knives and bayonets.

The ones the police wear are significantly less durable and are only designed for small handguns. A knife will go right through them, even a comparatively small one. They're designed for less invasive threats.

Basically ceramic plates >>> non-plates.
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Stop talking. You're too stupid.

[video=youtube;004kkCVBo78]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=004kkCVBo78[/video]
 
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You're a ****ing moron. A complete ****ing moron. This is the type of vest the TPS uses:

The C-Series comes with an outer carrier that is the OPP Style external carrier with pockets. It’s adjustable on both the sides as well as the shoulders. We carry both level II and Level IIIA armor. The difference between the two being the level of protection each has. The level II is standard issue armor for most Police Departments and the Level IIIA is a step above that will protect you from faster travelling projectiles. Ballistic armor will give you a certain degree of protection against sharp objects if used to slash it will not give you protection against stabbing.
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http://www.911gear.ca/body-armor-c-36_624.html
 
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And I have a good friend whose father is a detective with 51 Division with a quarter of a century on the force. If you want to suggest that a knife won't do any damage to his officer's vests please do so to him face-to-face.

I'd enjoy seeing the verbal thrashing you would receive for your ignorance.
 
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