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OT: American Politics

CH1 said:
Trump may unwittingly have given climate action politics a boost. Industry, government and forward looking citizens will rally hard. Technology is already there.
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All he had to do was ride on the coat tails of the work Obama had already put in. Industry and lower levels of government were starting to do all the heavy lifting on the electrical generation front, the impending technological improvements of electric engines was going to take ever growing chunks of market share from internal combustion. The next generation of airplane engines in testing are hybrid. Literally everything was in place for little Donnie to do nothing, but then take all the ****ing credit. The majority of the historic roadblocks to promoting green tech and a post carbon economy have managed to make themselves go away as well. Steve Milloy just tried to mount an offensive against Exxon giving a shit about climate reporting and received a whole 1.6% of the shareholder vote. When Exxon's shareholders are pushing for better climate reporting and environmental stewardship, quite clearly the winds have changed direction. All this muppet had to do was go with it. Do nothing and take the credit. He didn't even have the good sense to do that.

So yeah, I think Trump has given the movement a shot in the arm and the rest of the players appear to be moving towards doing their own thing without the US (even from within the US), but I don't know if that's as positive a development as Trump simply doing nothing and taking credit for it would have been.
 
For sure. Trump doing nothing will always be the best course of action for the country.

The stock market has been rallying with the idea that he won't be able to inflict much damage as big tech like Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc will continue to innovate and bank ridiculous coin.

The steel companies that needed his infrastructure bill stopped their rallying months ago. Same thing with the banking sector that was hoping for deregulation.

Market action has deemed this admin as totally useless. It's a question of how much damage they can cause in the short term.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

True. Unfortunately charisma is almost a more important asset at election time than substance.
 
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Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Thing is, most people are poor judges of "substance"

For example, Uncle Stephen was considered to be a policy wonk and had "substance" (well he must, because there was no charisma in them hills) but he had a hard time making policy that was legal, his economic background was in the heavily discredited Austrian school of economics, and he ran massive deficits long after the economic shocks of 2008 had come and gone. There wasn't a hell of a lot of substance there when his legislative record is held up to the light of day, yet even today with the benefit of hindsight, lack of substance isn't something attached to the Harper era.

Charisma though, is easy to judge.
 
This is a political move to please his base, nothing more, nothing less.

He knows that he will never make inroads with environmentalists or those who care much about what the world thinks of the USA, and this will play well to the rust belt states who he promised jobs to.

That said, with the biggest players in the US going green, the trends towards cleaner energy and transport going green, I don't think we see a huge increase in emissions. A lot of cities and states will continue to pave the way regardless of being in the paris accord or not.

So nothing much changes, except Trump and Co get to give the world a big **** you.

On a unrelated note, Macron. Learn from Trudeau. Trudeau didn't get jerked around by trumps handshake. People noticed. Macron didn't get jerked around by trumps handshake. People noticed. He didn't need to go run his mouth about it afterwards.
 
he is an ignorant coward who is doing permanent damage to the status and influence of the leader of the free world, and elevating dictators all over the world while shitting all over democracy.
 
I have a completely off topic question which I am opening up to all of you here.

I got into an argument with somebody on Facebook yesterday because she was gushing all over Melania Trump and how much she liked her. I posted a comment about how Melania is an enabler of Donald and not an innocent victim in all of this. I said she is much like the rest of the Trump family in that she is trying to cash in while Donald is in office. The reason I said that was because she is involved in a lawsuit with a newspaper where her own lawyer says the newspaper is doing damage to Melania's potential earnings as first lady which they estimate as 150 million dollars.

Next thing I know this girl and all of her hard left NDP buddies are calling me a victim bashing POS. Yeah, it escalated quickly.

Seems like they feel that Melania is a victim in all of this and that Donald abuses her (verbally). So basically, if you do not think she is an abuse victim then you are a victim basher. The girl I was talking to initially said that I must hate sex worker who marry for money.

The whole conversation when nuts and I bowed out because there was no winning with this crowd.

Anyways, I was curious what you all thought. Is Melania a victim or is she an enabler?
 
zeke said:
he is an ignorant coward who is doing permanent damage to the status and influence of the leader of the free world, and elevating dictators all over the world while shitting all over democracy.
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Merkel is doing just fine, and looks like she will win a fourth term.
 
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy said:
I have a completely off topic question which I am opening up to all of you here.

I got into an argument with somebody on Facebook yesterday because she was gushing all over Melania Trump and how much she liked her. I posted a comment about how Melania is an enabler of Donald and not an innocent victim in all of this. I said she is much like the rest of the Trump family in that she is trying to cash in while Donald is in office. The reason I said that was because she is involved in a lawsuit with a newspaper where her own lawyer says the newspaper is doing damage to Melania's potential earnings as first lady which they estimate as 150 million dollars.

Next thing I know this girl and all of her hard left NDP buddies are calling me a victim bashing POS. Yeah, it escalated quickly.

Seems like they feel that Melania is a victim in all of this and that Donald abuses her (verbally). So basically, if you do not think she is an abuse victim then you are a victim basher. The girl I was talking to initially said that I must hate sex worker who marry for money.

The whole conversation when nuts and I bowed out because there was no winning with this crowd.

Anyways, I was curious what you all thought. Is Melania a victim or is she an enabler?
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BKerr said:
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Yeah, there is no doubt about it that she is a gold digger. This "marriage" is a transaction marriage. And because of that, she knew what she was signing up for.

I just could not believe all these people freaked out and started saying she is an abuse victim. Then again, they were all over the map with their responses.

When I said that Melania refused to denounce her husband's comments on the infamous tape and dismissed it as locker room talk, that was a form of enabling his behavior. Then they come yelling back, well she is essentially a sex slave and abuse victim, what else could she do.
 
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Part of being that gold digger is being an enabler.

She knows what she signed up for. I have little sympathy.

She knows what her pre-nup says and what it requires of her.

She had a choice. She made that choice. Live with it.
 
BKerr said:
Part of being that gold digger is being an enabler.

She knows what she signed up for. I have little sympathy.

She knows what her pre-nup says and what it requires of her.

She had a choice. She made that choice. Live with it.
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I agree and that is essentially exactly what I said to them.

Then I am getting hit from all sides by these people calling me a victim bashing POS.

Crazy NDP'ers
 
zeke said:
he is an ignorant coward who is doing permanent damage to the status and influence of the leader of the free world, and elevating dictators all over the world while shitting all over democracy.
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Perfect title for the inevitable book about the Trump Presidency.
 
She is neither a enabler or abuse victim in my mind.

She's the spouse of the president.

I hated harper, I didn't say a word against Lauren Harper at any point. I know people who attack Trudeau but by in large leave Sophie out of their rants against him.

And while I understand that their is a big difference between American First Ladies and Canadian Prime Minister spouses, mainly that in the states they get a staff, an office, a budget, Melanie has done absolutely nothing. She's done the bear minimum as a spouse of the president and in my opinion should just be left alone.

In truth, it's probably best to leave spouses out of it in almost everything. Hockey players, Politicians, mortal enemies, I don't believe in the guilt by association.
 
Altair said:
On a unrelated note, Macron. Learn from Trudeau. Trudeau didn't get jerked around by trumps handshake. People noticed. Macron didn't get jerked around by trumps handshake. People noticed. He didn't need to go run his mouth about it afterwards.
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Nah, Angie and Macron are trying to galvanize Europe and they're using Trump as the mechanism to do it. Trudeau has to play nice for obvious reason, Macron doesn't have to placate the orange moron in the least. Trump has already made his choice to take a fat shit on Europe whenever he has the chance, Macron is just giving it back to him.
 
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy said:
I have a completely off topic question which I am opening up to all of you here.

I got into an argument with somebody on Facebook yesterday because she was gushing all over Melania Trump and how much she liked her. I posted a comment about how Melania is an enabler of Donald and not an innocent victim in all of this. I said she is much like the rest of the Trump family in that she is trying to cash in while Donald is in office. The reason I said that was because she is involved in a lawsuit with a newspaper where her own lawyer says the newspaper is doing damage to Melania's potential earnings as first lady which they estimate as 150 million dollars.

Next thing I know this girl and all of her hard left NDP buddies are calling me a victim bashing POS. Yeah, it escalated quickly.

Seems like they feel that Melania is a victim in all of this and that Donald abuses her (verbally). So basically, if you do not think she is an abuse victim then you are a victim basher. The girl I was talking to initially said that I must hate sex worker who marry for money.

The whole conversation when nuts and I bowed out because there was no winning with this crowd.

Anyways, I was curious what you all thought. Is Melania a victim or is she an enabler?
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When you try to discuss anything with people who use terms like "victim bashing" you're going to have a bad time.
 
I have ZERO sympathy for Melania. She willingly married a rich buffoon. However, she did not sign up to be FLOTUS.

Marrying a billionaire = pretty much doing whatever you want.

FLOTUS means hosting and attending a bunch of boring crap out of obligation.
 
MindzEye said:
Nah, Angie and Macron are trying to galvanize Europe and they're using Trump as the mechanism to do it. Trudeau has to play nice for obvious reason, Macron doesn't have to placate the orange moron in the least. Trump has already made his choice to take a fat shit on Europe whenever he has the chance, Macron is just giving it back to him.
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Trump is the best thing that ever happened to Europe in a long time.
 
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