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OT: American Politics

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

no, i am not an NDP supporter. that doesnt stop me from being pleased that mcweasel didnt get his majority last night.

you were happy the teachers poured massive $ (aka your money) into a political campaign supporting someone from a party you allegedly hate, that is the height of hypocrisy

you hate McGuinty because he is taking away some of your entitlements, the same type of entitlements you think are the bane of North American society.
 
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After the teacher's unions were largely responsible for getting Dalton elected in the first place too. How ironic.
 
This is hilarious.

Toronto has a right wing mayor. The government of Ontario is a centrist party. And Canada is run by Conservatives.

It is possible to have a strong economy and have some social responsiblity at the same time. Somehow we're still able to develop a pretty big upper class here and we're still able to ensure that even the poorest of the poor have health care. Imagine that.

Despite what the Republicans tell you, you don't need to tear down every possible safety net or regulation, and make sure rich people don't pay taxes for a nation to succeed. There are other alternatives. Alternatives that actually work.

I was referring to all the Leaf fans actually.
 
http://portalseven.com/employment

Official (U3) and Max Total (U6) U.S. Unemployment:

Feb 1994: 6.6%U3, 11.4 (Clinton's first full month on the job)
Feb 2001: 4.2, 7.4 (Bush's first full month on the job)
Feb 2009: 8.3, 15.1 (Obama's first full month on the job)
Aug 2012: 8.1, 14.7 (last month)

Aren't you forgetting a few things? 63.5% employed Americans, lowest since 1981.

96,000 new jobs created in August. Need ~ 175,000 to break even over jobs lost and influx of new labor.

368,000 people dropped out of workforce in August, no longer looking for jobs.

These are numbers that sting. Yes it looks great to drop .2% but the drop is due to people not looking for jobs anymore as they are not factored into the unemployment equation.
 
bad job report this am, kind of expecting it...Obama said nothing about jobs last night (he gets the #s the night before)

Hey look, someone that realizes it was a bad job report and not just throwing out the 8.1% bs number.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

After the teacher's unions were largely responsible for getting Dalton elected in the first place too. How ironic.

As a teacher who was TOLD to vote for Dalton I find this incredibly frustrating, especially since it was so predictable.

KB is a walking, talking contradiction, but he is right to celebrate McStupid being denied a majority.
 
Watching Romney interview on Fox and the dude just can't make that emotional connection.

The interviewer asks him about the Dems being critical of him for not mentioning the military much during the Republican convention..and he basically says that he mentioned them once and that everyone knows he is for a strong military. On the other hand he says, Obama wants to cut jobs there. The guy can't seem to look at any issue through a different angle than is a job created or not. A bigger question is, do you actually value the military? Ie How do these guys get treated when they come back. How much are they paid. Etc
 
Emotional connection doesn't mean shit to me. Results do.

15,000 manufacturing jobs lost in August. Guess Biden was right, we have turned the corner.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Out of curiosity, how is it not illegal for the union to be dictating to its members who to vote for? That seems just ridiculously inappropriate and totally undemocratic.

Also, what reasons did they provide for telling you that?
 
I am more surprised that there were actually 15000 manufacturing jobs to lose.

What gets made in the USA these days?

I have a better idea. How about these US corporations stop outsourcing all of their manufacturing jobs to places like India, China or Indonesia, and take a smaller profit.

How much is enough?

The US made its' own bed. Nobody is going to do what actually needs to be done to fix the problem.
 
Aren't you forgetting a few things? 63.5% employed Americans, lowest since 1981.

96,000 new jobs created in August. Need ~ 175,000 to break even over jobs lost and influx of new labor.

368,000 people dropped out of workforce in August, no longer looking for jobs.

These are numbers that sting. Yes it looks great to drop .2% but the drop is due to people not looking for jobs anymore as they are not factored into the unemployment equation.

Totally agree. Civilian employment to population rate is very important. The other story being missed here is that a lot of newly created jobs are lower paying than the ones that were lost.

Needed a bigger/better stimulus to break the household debt deleveraging freefall.
 
I hate duplicity and hypocrisy and this thread is rife with it, as is the world.

I told you guys I was a misanthrope long ago, did you think I was kidding?

I will end up in the mountains, already own the land.

Just no letter bombs to MIT, 'K?
 
Aren't you forgetting a few things? 63.5% employed Americans, lowest since 1981.

96,000 new jobs created in August. Need ~ 175,000 to break even over jobs lost and influx of new labor.

368,000 people dropped out of workforce in August, no longer looking for jobs.

These are numbers that sting. Yes it looks great to drop .2% but the drop is due to people not looking for jobs anymore as they are not factored into the unemployment equation.

yes, they are factored into that U6 number there, as are underemployed workers.
 
http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

What is U6 unemployment rate ?

The U6 unemployment rate counts not only people without work seeking full-time employment (the more familiar U-3 rate), but also counts "marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons." Note that some of these part-time workers counted as employed by U-3 could be working as little as an hour a week. And the "marginally attached workers" include those who have gotten discouraged and stopped looking, but still want to work. The age considered for this calculation is 16 years and over

U6:

FEB '94: 11.4 - (first full month Clinton took over)
FEB '91: 7.4 - (first full month Bush took over)
FEB '09: 15.3 - (first full month Obama took over)
AUG '12: 14.7
 
yes, they are factored into that U6 number there, as are underemployed workers.

You're kidding right? Yeah they are "factored" because the amount of worker participation is lowered thereby lowering the unemployment rate. It's not good at all zeke, don't try and portray it to be.
 
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