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OT: American Politics

axlsalinger said:
I know, all I'm saying is that these Benghazi investigations are bullshit partisan sideshow theater, and it's kind of a joke to see Habsy still going on and on about it. IMO Habsy should direct his outrage towards the really terrible things happening in this world, like genocide, illegal wars, and which server people store their emails on.
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You do realize you're extremely biased as well right?
 
The reason there are so many investigations? It's an election year.

That and the administration is lying. That's not new though. WMD was a worse lie.
 
Habsy said:
You do realize you're extremely biased as well right?
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I am biased by facts. That doesn't mean we all don't look at things through our own personal filters - it's impossible not to. And some facts can be interpreted in different ways for many different factors.

One example, even if you were to now say, my God I was wrong about Benghazi, it really is partisan bullshit, there were 9 times in the past when it added a little bit to your dislike and distrust of Clinton and Obama, so even if you now close the book on Benghazi, the people running this scam still achieved their goal. And you are someone looking for facts, many people don't, and just hear "Clinton" and "Benghazi" in the same sentence on Fox News and confirmation bias sets in.
 
And after reading interviews with people that were on the ground both in benghazi and in support roles waiting for the go ahead I'm even more pissed. This administration failed those guys. When you consider two of the four died hours after the initial deaths it really shows the level of incompetence in support.

You choose to buy all their bullshit excuses. I don't.

The best was the attack was over an Internet video. Two weeks of that bullshit. If you can't see they realize they ****ed up and are trying hard to explain it away you're blind. I'm not even talking Clinton here, I'm talking about everyone involved.
 
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Montana said:
You're so hyper defensive.....over nothing.


The article lays out precisely how absurd and hyper politicized the entire "scandal" was....while also objectively pointing out some of the miscalculations made by the left.

You're just jumping to the erronious conclusion that its blasting both sides an equal amount.....which it doesnt. It simply holds people accountable on both sides, for various mistakes.

Actually read the article, instead of just kicking out a knee-jerk response, without even having read it.
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I read it before you posted it.

I've read more than anyone has read about it. More than enough to dismiss any that make you feel justified using a "both sides" tagline.

There is no "both sides" here. One side took a not atypical tragedy and reprehensibly turned it into their primary political platform to try and win 2 elections. That is all that matters here.

This last report, despite it's best attempts to cast aspersions, is a thorough repudiation of its own investigation. Your article simply plays into the conspiracy BS - as the main takeaways from this report should be that it debunks all the rightwing narrative - it clearly states that from the very start, Obama isssued clear orders to bring all assets to bear and rescue them no matter what. it makes itnclear that there was never any ridiculous "stand down" order. it makes it clear that benghazi was such a secret and unknown outside the usual security apparatus that most of the officials involved that night didn't even know it existed. It makes it clear that neither Obama nor Hillary were (obviously) even involved in the military details of the emergency response.

The report instead desperately tries to make issues of things such as uniform changes - when its a crucial issue in these situations, and didn't even delay anything anyways. In fact that report makes its only hay by trying to portray standard operating procedures taken here as unique and incompetent.

And then we have to listen to Gowdy, when asked point blank if anyone deserved any type of criminal charges or reprimand, cowardly stand there and utter some pathetic BS that "I'm a really bad lawyer and can't answer that".

It is a farce. From day one. And an especially craven and vile farce considering the tragedy.

If you are joining in the monday morning quarterbacking of the tornado of events that happened that night, you are just as big a sucker as the rest of them.
 
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Good lord you're missing the forest for the trees. Sure, it's been grossly politicized but it's also the first time an administration sat on it's hands and allowed two people to die.

Taking aside the ridiculously high requests for added security in an area other countries abandoned (the US was there because of Clinton's agenda which is why they're trying to nail her on it), the ambassador was dead meat, nothing could be done, however two more people could have realistically had a shot at being saved as they were killed hours later.

Sure it's narrative but it is one that resonates with many Americans because you just don't leave people out to dry like that. Obama lives off narratives and it's disingenuous to chastise one side for doing what they all do.

For example, every domestic tragedy turns into a gun debate. That's the Democrat narrative.

I expect you to be dismissive, it's what you do. You're arrogant. Anyone that doesn't agree with you or your beliefs is dumb, evil, ridiculous etc. The progressive mantra. Your false equivalency trying to make it look like just another tragedy is ridiculous, no matter how hard you try and push it. It's called difference of opinion. Mine is invalid to you just as yours is to me.
 
And your indignation to this "farce" pales to the indignation Americans feel towards leaving their men out to dry like that. It's viewed as democrats feigning insult to not deal with the fact they ****ed up.

This is just another in a long line of events polarizing this country.
 
how can you swallow your own horseshit so greedily?

this is far from the first time americans have died in these kinds of circumstances.

but this is the first time you've cared.

because politics.
 
Lol. Wow.

I've known plenty of know-it-alls like you. One day you'll wake up, if you're lucky, and realize you don't know it all.
 
keep attacking me if it makes you feel better.

won't change the fact that your interest in Benghazi, and ignorance of all similar events under all recent presidencies, is purely political.
 
That rich. I'm not attacking you. I'm pointing out that you present yourself in a manner that needs addressing. We're all guilty of it, it's not unique to you.

I have a completely different opinion on the matter. One that you wholly reject in a dismissive fashion. You reap what you sow.
 
Switching gears, just read that the attackers in Bangladesh were sparing people that could recite passages in the Quran and shooting those that couldn't.

Absolutely astonishing brutality.
 
Mexican cartels still hold the record for brutality as far as I'm concerned. Wouldn't be surprised if they kill more people too.
 
Habsy said:
Again, arrogance. You know what I care about and when I care.
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Okay, but we've all seen you going on and on about Benghazi...I'm sorry if I missed it, but which other incident like this did you go on about? I think it's at least a little fair to have an idea on what you care about, at least as it pertains to this discussion.
 
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