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The GST made a lot of money and continues to generate money.

And you cannot complain about legitimate Constitutional attempts like Meech Lake and Charlottetown. If the Liberals had been in charge of those discussions there's no way I would have criticised them for that.

In fact, they were a direct result of Trudeau not doing the proper thing and getting Quebec as a signatory to the Charter in 1981 in the first place.
 
And the biggest waste of needless money in history occurred in 1993:

Chretien's decision to throw away $500 million to cancel a badly-needed delivery of modern helicopters for the Canadian Forces that hampered the organization for a decade and a half.
 
If you really believe the Cons are doing this, that's pretty serious..do the BIG/right thing. But of course they didn't do that because they knew it was ridicilous to go in with that as their focus for an election.

The Liberals were, at the time, under a leader who couldn't manage to sway the polls to any great degree. They didn't want to go to election fearing that he would lose. Now that an election has happened since then, and he lost even his own seat, and been replaced by an even bigger moron named Bob, they were right.
It's not that they felt that it was "ridiculous." It's that they knew Harper outclassed who they had leading them at the time.
 
I'm not saying it would be good strategy. Then again I don't think Canadians thought this was a big issue. They thought here is another case of MP's bickering and not being able to get along. Another case of blowing something out of proportion. When did some serious allegation not warrant an election call because of strategy? It didn't make sense for Canadians.

I'm just really annoyed with people trying to make accusations/scandals a big part of their platform when the investigation hasn't even happened. I'm not happy when any party makes really serious allegations, ie that a party is not following rules but then isn't willing to do the right/big thing because of strategy.

You rather think something is serious or it's not.

The Liberals were, at the time, under a leader who couldn't manage to sway the polls to any great degree. They didn't want to go to election fearing that he would lose. Now that an election has happened since then, and he lost even his own seat, and been replaced by an even bigger moron named Bob, they were right.
It's not that they felt that it was "ridiculous." It's that they knew Harper outclassed who they had leading them at the time.
 
But then again if I was in power, I'd be a person like Mulroney who would try to do big things/right things and wouldn't really care if it was popular or not.
 
The GST made a lot of money and continues to generate money.
The GST cost businesses a lot of money. The economy dipped into recession shortly after the introduction of it.

And you cannot complain about legitimate Constitutional attempts like Meech Lake and Charlottetown. If the Liberals had been in charge of those discussions there's no way I would have criticised them for that.
Then you're nuts. No province should have more say than any other in this confederation.

In fact, they were a direct result of Trudeau not doing the proper thing and getting Quebec as a signatory to the Charter in 1981 in the first place.
You need to brush up on your history, Jays.
It's not the Charter that began this. It's the patriation of the Constitution that led to this. When the constitution was being put together, PET was in consultation with ALL of the provinces, making sure that it was going to include everything they wanted, without putting one above any other. This was especially important to the northern territories, for example. And when the process began to finalize the constitution, Trudeau had Quebec's blessing on the draft.
Once it was officially drawn up, and awaiting official signatures, THAT'S when Quebec suddenly pulled out and demanded more from it. They shit on the entire process, and tried to ruin Trudeau, at the last minute.
And that's why PET pulled the "Notwithstanding" clause on them. They've hated him ever since for that, but the fact is, all along that process, PET was not in favour of even including an entrenched Bill of Rights with the Notwithstanding clause in the Constitution. He wanted the Bill of Rights separate.
The irony is, that same clause that PET had to use to pass the Constitution at the last minute is the same one that Quebec used to pass Bill 101.

And the biggest waste of needless money in history occurred in 1993:

Chretien's decision to throw away $500 million to cancel a badly-needed delivery of modern helicopters for the Canadian Forces that hampered the organization for a decade and a half.
... which pales in comparison to Harper's first week in office, where he threw away three consecutive Free Trade rulings against the U.S. over softwood lumber. They owed us over $1B in illegal tariffs, and Harper just threw it all under the rug in his first five days in office.
 
The GST cost businesses a lot of money. The economy dipped into recession shortly after the introduction of it.

Prove it.

Then you're nuts. No province should have more say than any other in this confederation.

If you don't think that every single sub-federal government in the country should be a signatory to the national constitution we have very different interpretations of what nuts entails.

Quebec's exclusion continues to have negative repercussions to this day.
 
The GST made a lot of money and continues to generate money.

And you cannot complain about legitimate Constitutional attempts like Meech Lake and Charlottetown. If the Liberals had been in charge of those discussions there's no way I would have criticised them for that.

In fact, they were a direct result of Trudeau not doing the proper thing and getting Quebec as a signatory to the Charter in 1981 in the first place.

you know as well as I do though that Levesque would never have signed on, he would be swallowing himself and his party whole. I do not like the way it was done as it gave Rene an out but he wouldn't have signed anyway.
 
Prove it.



If you don't think that every single sub-federal government in the country should be a signatory to the national constitution we have very different interpretations of what nuts entails.

Quebec's exclusion continues to have negative repercussions to this day.

true but not sure you can put that all on Trudeau.

The SCC did say that you didn't need all ten to sign on.
 
you know as well as I do though that Levesque would never have signed on, he would be swallowing himself and his party whole. I do not like the way it was done as it gave Rene an out but he wouldn't have signed anyway.

You're probably right, but I think that the PMO could have waited Levesque out and then re-introduced the legislation when a more federal-friendly Premiere Ministre was elected in Quebec.
 
But then again if I was in power, I'd be a person like Mulroney who would try to do big things/right things and wouldn't really care if it was popular or not.

So would I. But it'd be part of my platform to do those things, rather than run on one thing, and do another.
Which is why I'd never win. lol!
 
You're probably right, but I think that the PMO could have waited Levesque out and then re-introduced the legislation when a more federal-friendly Premiere Ministre was elected in Quebec.

Agreed on the first part at least. I would have said ok we know Quebec won't sign but I think we should go back on TV tomorrow and say, ok, here is what we propose, I understand many of the provinces agree, make Quebec say they won't sign, not sign it without telling them
 
???

Chretien ran (and won) on the promise that they would eliminate the GST. How did that go?

You're such a Liberal hack it isn't even funny.


he would have won anyway

and in any event, that is no different from Mulroney saying no Free Trade while running for PC leadership, saying no footsie with the PQ then going for free trade and putting the Bouchards and others in his cabinet
 
The GST definitely hurt some people.
Small business took a big hit right at the start...people tend to clam up when they are getting buggered(assuming they are not asking for said buggering) so sales dipped right away.
As in anything govt, they didn't exactly make the system simple and there was a lot of money lost as small businesses lost time and money figuring it out.
I'm not going to bother with the personal example today...everybody has one for some occasion...but I was there as the GST unfolded and I saw how it hurt.

Cause the recession? No.
Did it help? Not in the least.
 
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