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zeke said:
A really nice draft to be #4 tbh. Not even Cade really projects to an MVP type. None of the top picks even have the full package of offensive skillsnto make them no brainer #1 options.
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Yeah, there's no generational type prospects in this draft, but a lot of really good prospects. Reminds me of 2014 (in retrospect, I'll admit that I was on the Wiggins is a fucking stud prospect train) where 5 of the top 7 had some level of All-Star type talent or 2010 where 6 of the top 10 turned into really good starters or better.

The guy I'm seeing at the 4 in most mocks is Suggs and I don't know how to feel about him. I usually want to see elite shot making out of a guard who isn't an elite athlete and Suggs is a good shooter but just good. But after watching 2 undersized guards turn into little monsters over the last bunch of years, it's hard to not see a lot of FVV in Suggs. Do you take a 6'3-6'4 version of FVV at the 4 spot knowing that his ceiling is probably limited to "just" being an all star? Has eye popping analytics....but so do 3 of the other Gonzaga starters.

Scottie Barnes might answer the age old question of what OG would look like if he was a fluid athlete with handles (also known as an athletic Draymond Green) but I think he'll be a somewhat limited scorer at the NBA level that just makes every team he's on better. Don't know if I could take him with the better offensive (and still profiling as plus defensive) Suggs on the board, or the hyper athlete with every physical tool in Kuminga.

Kuminga is really easy to get excited about, probably the best athlete in the draft. Jumps clean out of the gym, fast, 7 foot wingspan. Has some handles and the ability to beat players 1 on 1. Shooting is a major concern right now but he's really similar to what Pascal was at 23 if Pascal was a top tier, dunk all over your face athlete. Young as hell, doesn't turn 19 until October. If we're trying to hit a home run, this is the guy.

If for some reason the draft doesn't go Cade-Mobley-Green, you take Jalen Green then scream and clap like a small child who just got offered ice cream. Same thing if it's Mobley who drops to #4, turn your phone off, take no calls from any other front office to the league and push Adam Silver onto the stage immediately.

Suggs left on the board and this gets way more complicated imo. Trade down and get Kuminga and trust your development program (top 3 in the league easy) to turn this kid into a stud?

Best/Likeliest case scenarios:

Cade - The modern game's version of Ray Allen if he was 6'8 and played defence/6'8 Devin Booker
Mobley - Skinny Anthony Davis/relatively well fed Chris Bosh
Green - Bradley Beal with 40 inch hops/Zach Lavine
Suggs - CJ McCollum but actually defends things/ 6'3 FVV
Barnes - Athletic Draymond/OG
Kuminga - Better in every way than the best Pascal we've ever seen/Aaron Gordon
 
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MindzEye said:
Yeah, there's no generational type prospects in this draft, but a lot of really good prospects. Reminds me of 2014 (in retrospect, I'll admit that I was on the Wiggins is a fucking stud prospect train) where 5 of the top 7 had some level of All-Star type talent or 2010 where 6 of the top 10 turned into really good starters or better.

The guy I'm seeing at the 4 in most mocks is Suggs and I don't know how to feel about him. I usually want to see elite shot making out of a guard who isn't an elite athlete and Suggs is a good shooter but just good. But after watching 2 undersized guards turn into little monsters over the last bunch of years, it's hard to not see a lot of FVV in Suggs. Do you take a 6'3-6'4 version of FVV at the 4 spot knowing that his ceiling is probably limited to "just" being an all star? Has eye popping analytics....but so do 3 of the other Gonzaga starters.

Scottie Barnes might answer the age old question of what OG would look like if he was a fluid athlete with handles (also known as an athletic Draymond Green) but I think he'll be a somewhat limited scorer at the NBA level that just makes every team he's on better. Don't know if I could take him with the better offensive (and still profiling as plus defensive) Suggs on the board, or the hyper athlete with every physical tool in Kuminga.

Kuminga is really easy to get excited about, probably the best athlete in the draft. Jumps clean out of the gym, fast, 7 foot wingspan. Has some handles and the ability to beat players 1 on 1. Shooting is a major concern right now but he's really similar to what Pascal was at 23 if Pascal was a top tier, dunk all over your face athlete. Young as hell, doesn't turn 19 until October. If we're trying to hit a home run, this is the guy.

If for some reason the draft doesn't go Cade-Mobley-Green, you take Jalen Green then scream and clap like a small child who just got offered ice cream. Same thing if it's Mobley who drops to #4, turn your phone off, take no calls from any other front office to the league and push Adam Silver onto the stage immediately.

Best/Likeliest case scenarios:

Cade - The modern game's version of Ray Allen if he was 6'8 and played defence/6'8 Devin Booker
Mobley - Skinny Anthony Davis/relatively well fed Chris Bosh
Green - Bradley Beal with 40 inch hops/Zach Lavine
Suggs - CJ McCollum but actually defends things/ 6'3 FVV
Barnes - Athletic Draymond/OG
Kuminga - Better in every way than the best Pascal we've ever seen/Aaron Gordon
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What i read on suggs though is that he has legit great rim finishing, which is fred's huge weakness.

Kuminga they say is not only raw offensively but not actually all that good defensively yet. And tbh a 7.0 wingspan doesnt impress me anymore - kawhi, OG, Siakam are all at 7'3".
 
zeke said:
What i read on suggs though is that he has legit great rim finishing, which is fred's huge weakness.

Kuminga they say is not only raw offensively but not actually all that good defensively yet. And tbh a 7.0 wingspan doesnt impress me anymore - kawhi, OG, Siakam are all at 7'3".
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Yeah, Suggs is a good finisher around the rim despite his general lack of above the rim athleticism. Not sure if he'll shoot it as good as Fred though.

With Kuminga you have to look at everything through the lens of just how young he is. Was at his first pro camp as a 17 yr old ffs and he's not playing against soft ass NCAA competition, but against grown men, a lot of whom have taken NBA reps and just about all of whom were dominant NCAA players when they were younger. It's really not hard to look at Kuminga play and imagine him being a top 10 player in the league. Looking incomplete against competition in the maybe 2nd best league in the world (G League is pretty quickly turning into a good league with the new style 2 way contracts) isn't a huge indictment at his age imo. Put him against kids this year in the NCAA and his warts look a lot less glaring.
 
I politely disagree with anyone raving about Suggs athleticism or "quick twitch"edness.



It's not that he's a bad athlete at all, but it's his tangible intangibles that make him the prospect he is, not his physical profile. He's just one of those guys who makes plays. I saw a Chauncey Billups comparison earlier, and yeah add a bit of quickness and athleticism on Chauncey and I see it.

Kind of similar athletically to Jamal Murray. Jamal was a knock down shooter coming out of college (also 6'5), which is where my concern with Suggs lays.
 
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