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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Preston said:
Wait no I never said trading unprotected first round picks was risk free or that they weren't assets. Panicking about the team possibly being last place or something in 2033 and giving up a top 5 pick? No I don't think that's reasonable to do at all as a fan.

First of all, the further out a pick is, the less value it has, full stop. Granted, yes they'll lose Kawhi by then, so their odds of being bad are a bit higher than they are for next year (but the amount of certainty people have about how good they'll be in those years is weird). So there are forces on both sides of the risk meter that sort of balance things out for me.

There's also legit value in keeping their firsts in the Kawhi years too to help stocking the roster if they hit on those picks, or trade them for assets.
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who is panicking lol. you people are so sensitive.

The 2027 or 2028 picks are most likely to be in the 18-30 range. No guarantee, but probably. We have no idea what the 2033 pick will be, it could be 1st overall.

In the end I think we all agree that we would have preferred to move out 1 first rounder for a 35 year old, but it's not that big of a deal. The picks being years away does help us in the shorter term, too. It's just that it introduces an element of future risk, that's it that's all. Now hopefully you can stop panicking about this reaction.
 
axlsalinger said:
who is panicking lol. you people are so sensitive.

The 2027 or 2028 picks are most likely to be in the 18-30 range. No guarantee, but probably. We have no idea what the 2033 pick will be, it could be 1st overall.

In the end I think we all agree that we would have preferred to move out 1 first rounder for a 35 year old, but it's not that big of a deal. The picks being years away does help us in the shorter term, too. It's just that it introduces an element of future risk, that's it that's all. Now hopefully you can stop panicking about this reaction.
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"SUBSTANTIAL RISK" because trading the 1sts 5-7 years out vs 2-3 years out is what I would classify as dramatic alarmism. But that's just me.
 
Honestly can't believe this actually happened. Was sure it was just more Uncle Dennis fuckery.

Going to be a very interesting couple of years, at the very least. Another run would be a lot of fun.
 
Yeah the picks being years away is better, not worse. The whole reason for doing this trade is to win now. Keeping your near term picks, either to add young players or trade them off for help, helps you win now and further justifies the risk of making the deal at all. The focus now should be solely on trying to win at least one championship (and hopefully more) in the next three years. Worry about the rest later.
 
zeke said:
Lol we just added a top 5 player in the league for first round picks 5 and 7 years away.

Amazing.
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Risk level has been increased to HIGH though. Those 12 year olds that are eligible to be drafted in 2033 are looking real good and make this a very high risk trade. Scary times for all.
 
Not just us "complaining", this guy from CBS calls it a "home run" trade for the Clips after the years of the picks came out.


View: https://x.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/2072095306653565075?s=20

I am overjoyed that Kawhi did what TMac didn't/couldn't and came back to Toronto to try and win us another Chip. If he wins another or gets close, I don't care about the picks at all.

I am also super happy that Kawhi is now a certified Raps legend. Build him a statue!

It just seemed like the Raps got a steal, and now it just feels like full value.
 
Pwner said:
Not just us "complaining", this guy from CBS calls it a "home run" trade for the Clips after the years of the picks came out.


View: https://x.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/2072095306653565075?s=20

I am overjoyed that Kawhi did what TMac didn't/couldn't and came back to Toronto to try and win us another Chip. If he wins another or gets close, I don't care about the picks at all.

I am also super happy that Kawhi is now a certified Raps legend. Build him a statue!

It just seemed like the Raps got a steal, and now it just feels like full value.
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why are you freaking out and panicking though
 
axlsalinger said:
why are you freaking out and panicking though
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I wasn't referring to anyone on forumice.com. I'm laughing at language like "Substantial risk" and "risk level has been increased to high" from tweets posted in this thread. It's a bit dramatic, no? For picks 5 and 7 years out? I'm choosing to laugh at it because I think it's funny. That's all.

Hell I didn't see that language used when Treliving traded near-term picks and prospects for Carlo and Laughton. So it's just funny to me.
 
Preston said:
I wasn't referring to anyone on forumice.com. I'm laughing at language like "Substantial risk" and "risk level has been increased to high" from tweets posted in this thread. It's a bit dramatic, no? For picks 5 and 7 years out?
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Like those picks are more valuable simply because they are higher lotto tickets when the Kawhi era is done, and im sure Webster would have preferred 27/29 picks, but honstly if the takeaway from a kawhi to raptors deal is the substantial risk on the picks surrendered i think you have the wrong take
 
Preston said:
I wasn't referring to anyone on forumice.com. I'm laughing at language like "Substantial risk" and "risk level has been increased to high" from tweets posted in this thread. It's a bit dramatic, no? For picks 5 and 7 years out? I'm choosing to laugh at it because I think it's funny. That's all.

Hell I didn't see that language used when Treliving traded near-term picks and prospects for Carlo and Laughton. So it's just funny to me.
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people being dramatic on Twitter? surely you jest.

initial reports were one first, and one pick swap. probably was a little unrealistic, and obviously the Clippers "dug in" and got a bit more. As mentioned, it adds a bit more risk but also helps us in the short term too. Much ado about nothing. The deal is done and we should be a force to be reckoned with in the East for the next 2-3 years. And it could be even longer if the young guys keep developing too.
 
Pwner said:
Not just us "complaining", this guy from CBS calls it a "home run" trade for the Clips after the years of the picks came out.


View: https://x.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/2072095306653565075?s=20

I am overjoyed that Kawhi did what TMac didn't/couldn't and came back to Toronto to try and win us another Chip. If he wins another or gets close, I don't care about the picks at all.

I am also super happy that Kawhi is now a certified Raps legend. Build him a statue!

It just seemed like the Raps got a steal, and now it just feels like full value.
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That's a laughable tweet.

There is a pretty small chance that either of those picks turn into something that we regret losing.

The average likely scenario is those turn into jakobe/dick level picks in 5 and 7 years from now.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Like those picks are more valuable simply because they are higher lotto tickets when the Kawhi era is done, and im sure Webster would have preferred 27/29 picks, but honstly if the takeaway from a kawhi to raptors deal is the substantial risk on the picks surrendered i think you have the wrong take
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Yeah I mean you can have pretty strong conviction that the picks will be 20 or higher in the near-term years barring a Kawhi injury (which ain't impossible btw.. they're a Kawhi injury away from probably picking pretty high in the near term drafts), but not sure you can have any conviction on what they'll look like in 5 to 7 years. That's way too far out to predict where a professional sports team will be. So sure, the expected value just based on the uncertainty alone is higher for those picks in 5 and 7 years, but that's at least partially balanced out by the picks being further out, and thus decreasing their value. And for the raptors there's value in having their 1sts to add reinforcements during the window.

I don't think the years of those picks add as much value as these twitterers are implying.
 
axlsalinger said:
people being dramatic on Twitter? surely you jest.

initial reports were one first, and one pick swap. probably was a little unrealistic, and obviously the Clippers "dug in" and got a bit more. As mentioned, it adds a bit more risk but also helps us in the short term too. Much ado about nothing. The deal is done and we should be a force to be reckoned with in the East for the next 2-3 years. And it could be even longer if the young guys keep developing too.
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Ya I would have preferred that they gave up one 1st too, but I'm more mocking those who fear 2031 and 2033. Initial reports had those picks at 2027 and 2029 I think? People seemed to change their opinion of the trade once it was revealed that the year were 31 and 33. I just feel that it's dramatic to do so. That's all.
 
Pwner said:
It just seemed like the Raps got a steal, and now it just feels like full value.
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Does it though? We just opened a championship window and have all of our own picks from 2027-2030...which means we still have the ability to go out and do something like trade RJ and a few 1sts for Cason Wallace, or Jalen Suggs or whichever long term core piece you think is attainable. Scottie is 32 by the season that 2033 pick is due, CMB & Ja'Kobe 28, etc.

What I'm trying to say is that we have no incentive to be bad, so we won't try to be & we just saw how relatively easy it was to put a 45 win team together this year. We cobbled together a few misfit toys from other organizations with an incomplete young star player and were fine. I don't think we'll struggle to do the same or better in a post Kawhi world with prime Scottie & CMB in house.
 
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