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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Shatkins: Don’t like your offer. We need your best prospect.
Mets: Kay.
Shatkins: K, so you give in to our demands?
Mets: We said Kay didn’t we?
Shatkins: K, it’s a deal.
 
Lol. These clowns just got schooled by the Mets of all teams.
Watch NYM flip Stroman for something much better in the next few days.
 
manny said:
Lol. These clowns just got schooled by the Mets of all teams.
Watch NYM flip Stroman for something much better in the next few days.
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Lol. To the Yankees for Deivi Garcia because we didn't want to move him to the Yankees.

Big time disappointed right now. I don't know much about the prospects but that seems very underwhelming.
 
Sounds like their plan is to trade Syndergaard for something much better, especially if they include Diaz as well. Thor's upside is top 5 pitcher in the game, way higher than Stroman's.

Although they are the Mets, so who the hell knows what they are trying to do.

One thing to keep in mind: Woods-Richardson is 18 years old and was just drafted last year. So while it's true that he's not a top 100 prospect like Ian Anderson (21) or Deivi Garcia (20), he very well could be in a couple of years. Minor league numbers are impressive so far.
 
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5) Simeon Woods-Richardson, RHP, Grade B-/B: Age 18, second round pick in 2018 from high school in Texas, posted 1.56 ERA in 17 innings in GCL and Appy, 26/4 K/BB; excellent stats; scouting reports very positive as well, mid-90s fastball with more polished secondaries

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and better command than expected, small sample of course but everything looks good so far, one of my favorite young pitchers for long-term investment; ETA 2022.
 
From Baseball America

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mets-acquire-marcus-stroman-in-bold-move/

BLUE JAYS ACQUIRE


Anthony Kay, LHP
Age: 24

The Mets' first-round pick in 2016, Kay didn't pitch after signing due to an elbow injury and missed all of 2017 after having Tommy John surgery. He returned last year and has flown up the system, reaching Triple-A this year in just his second season on the mound. Kay is a power lefthander with a fastball that sits at 93 mph and regularly reaches 95-96. He complements his fastball with a curveball he can land to both sides of the plate and a changeup that plays well against righthanded hitters with sink at the bottom of the zone. Kay's arsenal is that of a mid-rotation starter or better, but his control and command are inconsistent and make him a back-end starter in the eyes of most evaluators. He is nearly major league ready and could make his debut this year.

Simeon Woods-Richardson, RHP
Age: 18

The Mets' second-round pick last year, Woods-Richardson made his full-season debut this year and earned raves from scouts as one of the best pitchers in the low Class A South Atlantic League despite a pedestrian 4.25 ERA. Woods-Richardson is a 6-foot-3 power righthander who pounds the strike zone with his power arsenal. His four-seam fastball reaches 95-96 mph and his cutter sits at 92, giving him two hard offerings to front his four-pitch mix. His 12-to-6 breaking ball has hard downward action and shows the potential to be an impact pitch, and his changeup flashes average. Woods-Richardson struggles leaving the ball up and gets hit as a result sometimes, but evaluators feel he could be an impact starter once he learns to work the edges of the strike zone. He earns wide praise for his fearless, bulldog mentality on the mound and aggressiveness in attacking hitters.
 
Yeah, this is underwhelming.

SMR is a high upside arm, but 18 yrs old, so much volatility with pitching prospects of his age...Having the best asset you get back being a good, but not elite 18 yr old prospect? C'mon man.

Kay is 24 and doesn't look MLB ready yet.

Fwiw, here's their Fangraphs scouting reports from pre season

7. Simeon Woods Richardson, RHP
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Drafted: 2nd Round, 2018 from Kempner HS (TX) (NYM)
Age 18.3 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 45
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
55/60 50/60 45/55 40/55 92-94 / 97

An athletic, outwardly competitive two-way high schooler, Woods Richardson would also have been a prospect as a power-hitting third baseman were he not so good on the mound. His vertically oriented release point makes it hard for him to work his fastball east and west, and several teams had him evaluated as a future reliever before the draft because they saw a lack of fastball command. But this vertical release also enables him to effectively change hitters’ eye level by pairing fastballs up with breaking balls down, and he has a plus breaking ball. Woods Richardson works so quickly that it often makes hitters uncomfortable, though scouts love it. He’s also shown some nascent changeup feel, but it will be hard to turn the cambio over consistently from his arm slot. Though he was one of the 2018 draft’s youngest prospects, his frame is pretty mature, so we’re not rounding up on the fastball even though he’s still a teenager. His reasonable floor is that of a high-leverage or multi-inning reliever (a role that would seem to suit his fiery on-mound presence), but if a third impact pitch develops he could be a mid-rotation starter.
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9. Anthony Kay, LHP
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Drafted: 1st Round, 2016 from UConn (NYM)
Age 23.8 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 218 Bat / Thr L / L FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/50 50/55 50/55 45/50 91-94 / 96

21 months elapsed between when Kay signed his pro contract and when he finally threw a pitch in affiliated ball. UConn rode him hard during his junior year in Storrs. He faced 36 hitters in a March game the Huskies won 18-to-1. During conference tournament play, Kay threw a complete game, then pitched again during the tournament on three days rest; he threw 90 pitches amid an hour-long lightning delay. It was unsurprising when he blew out in the fall of 2016. When Kay finally returned last year, he looked markedly different than he did in college when he was a lefty changeup monster with mediocre velocity. Kay’s fastball has ticked up and now sits at about 93 mph instead of peaking there, and his two-plane breaking ball is better. His once-dominant changeup has regressed. There’s a strong chance Kay ends up as a good lefty reliever but if the changeup ever returns, he could be a No. 4 starter.
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Oh sure, he's just 18 and a pitcher. So there's a good chance his arm explodes at least once between now and his 23rd birthday, or he gets dummied as soon as he hits AA ball, or whatever. They're the most volatile high skill prospect class in professional sport.

Literally the worst type of prospect to put significant value in. You can be bang on, 100% right about your valuation of his talent and still have him never make it above AAA.
 
I do have to admit that the more I look at SWR the more I like him. I don't agree with the 45fv on fangraphs at all.

He's the same age and level as Pardinho and putting up better numbers (with the caveat that Pardinho is coming back from injury and hopefully will end up with better numbers than he has now), and has 2 likely plus pitches. He'll need a 3rd pitch but apparently the changeup is coming along. He's putting up syndergaard level numbers in A, while being a year younger.

This is a guy who could be seen as a 55fv guy without too much squinting, imo, and really is my kind of prospect.

To be consistent, though, I can't get on board with Kay at all. He's not a real prospect, imo. might turn into a good reliever.
 
An 18 year old who could be a top 100 prospect in a few years should be the third piece in a deal for Stroman, not the headliner. Maybe he will become an actual prospect of value . Much more likely, the Mets just sold him at absolute peak value.

Remember that if Stroman walks next year, the Mets get a sandwich pick. That’s not much less valuable than a recent 2nd round pick.

They could also trade him to a contender at the deadline next year and should get a package at least this good.

The return is an absolute disgrace.
 
I honestly think the kid might be a top-100 prospect even right now. his inflated ERA right now is probably holding him back
 
zeke said:
I honestly think the kid might be a top-100 prospect even right now. his inflated ERA right now is probably holding him back
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He doesn’t have elite stuff. Despite the Ks. He relies on deception, which is fine in A-ball, but could get badly exposed as soon as next year.

And there’s no guarantee he’ll develop an MLB quality third pitch.

This is a raw prospect, with upside, yes (nice for a change with Atkins), but he has a long way to go to be top 100.

Contrast him with Pardinho, who is younger, has better stuff, and way more polish. Pardinho would be a bad return for someone like Stroman and he is well ahead of Simeon.
 
eh, looks like he has a plus fastball in the high 90s and a plus curve. needs to polish his changeup and command. also is a converted SS, so hasn't been pitching all that long.
 
manny said:
An 18 year old who could be a top 100 prospect in a few years should be the third piece in a deal for Stroman, not the headliner. Maybe he will become an actual prospect of value . Much more likely, the Mets just sold him at absolute peak value.

Remember that if Stroman walks next year, the Mets get a sandwich pick. ThatÂ’s not much less valuable than a recent 2nd round pick.

They could also trade him to a contender at the deadline next year and should get a package at least this good.

The return is an absolute disgrace.
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This is not a fair assessment, this isn't some kid in Lower A ball nobody's ever heard of who you THINK is a high-upside guy down the road that you get as a throw-in 3rd piece. He's already got the pedigree, scouting report and stats, and prospect people know who he is. If he moves up a level next year and puts up similar underlying stats with a better ERA, as zeke said he will probably make some lists.

As to your other point, pitchers who throw 96 with an 11+ K/9 are not relying on "deception" to get hitters out.
 
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