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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Dylan Cease was traded as a prospect in a deadline deal.

3 of the players the Padres traded for Soto have already been All Stars, two of them twice.

Most prospects don’t live up to the hype but a huge amount of future value gets moved at the deadline.

Smart orgs retool when it’s not their year.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
That’s the thing, you get him and it’s minimum WS win. And maybe you resign him too as a bonus.

What I don’t understand is how the best teams in baseball with the most expensive rosters often also have the deepest prospect pools. They never run out. Like how can LA still have a ton of great prospect capital. It’s so different than the NHL, where the best teams often have nothing in the pipeline because they spent to add at 1 or 2 deadlines.
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The Hurricanes are the closest example from a drafting standpoint but MLB has the draft and international signings. Scouts are so much more valuable in baseball
 
LeafOfFaith said:
That’s the thing, you get him and it’s minimum WS win. And maybe you resign him too as a bonus.

What I don’t understand is how the best teams in baseball with the most expensive rosters often also have the deepest prospect pools. They never run out. Like how can LA still have a ton of great prospect capital. It’s so different than the NHL, where the best teams often have nothing in the pipeline because they spent to add at 1 or 2 deadlines.
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part of it is that in hockey and basketball, most often the absolute studs are top 5 picks. Yes you can get stars later from time to time but it's so random. So it's hard for great teams to build through the draft, since they have low picks and often trade them away. In baseball it's not as cut and dry, the players take longer to develop, and there are other factors like international signings. And you can't trade draft picks (with a couple of small exceptions).

Bottom line is that the Dodgers are the richest team in baseball, and also the smartest team in baseball. Not only do they draft well, but they've become lethal at minor league player development. So they are the best team in the league by far, and also have a top 2 farm system (debatable who's is better between them and the Brewers right now).
 
If that’s the Skubal return every other return should be less than sellers hoped but with the amount of holes we have and the state of our system there is an argument to take what you can get cause you’re going to need to trade to fill those holes . FA next year is awful
 
LeafOfFaith said:
That’s the thing, you get him and it’s minimum WS win. And maybe you resign him too as a bonus.

What I don’t understand is how the best teams in baseball with the most expensive rosters often also have the deepest prospect pools. They never run out. Like how can LA still have a ton of great prospect capital. It’s so different than the NHL, where the best teams often have nothing in the pipeline because they spent to add at 1 or 2 deadlines.
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Dodgers aren't guaranteed shit, but they are the overwealming favorite
 
speaking of dumb shit, this happened a few days ago. Jarren Duran made a total fool out of himself here, yelling multiple times at his teammate on 3rd because he didn't score on a very shallow flyout. The only thing I can think of is that he was mad he "lost" an RBI because he's having a terrible year, but the guy would very likely have been thrown out at home. Selfish and stupid.


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manny said:
Dylan Cease was traded as a prospect in a deadline deal.

3 of the players the Padres traded for Soto have already been All Stars, two of them twice.

Most prospects don’t live up to the hype but a huge amount of future value gets moved at the deadline.

Smart orgs retool when it’s not their year.
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Are we trading a soto
 
axlsalinger said:
Jays should trade 1-2 pending UFA's if they get a great offer, but also poke around and maybe "buy" someone if they see a great deal out there too.
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Looking at everyone individually

Gausman cant be qualified and in theory should yield enough of a return to where its worth moving on from him, but i'd think the ceiling is a backend top 100 guy. I'd have no problem holding and letting him finish up here and talk extension after the year, but if the return is good enough, you should probably take it.

Varsho is having such a bad year and i have no idea how teams view him, but again, if the offers are lite, you can hold him too and give him a QO. The CF market, and our internal OF are as such to where i think 1/23 for Varsho might be the best possible outcome for our CF slot next year

Bieber is probably too expensive and bad/injured for anyone to give us more than a lotto ticket and you also probably wont find anyone in the org better than him to finish out the year, so, um, hold? i guess?

Hoffman is the one guy who might yield a big return, cause controlled high lev RP almost always get them. Dont sell lite, but actively look to move him IMO.

Springer is in the same category as Gausman, except he also has 10/5 rights. Basically do what he wants. As hot as he's been the market for a RHH DH cant be terribly strong

Straw, Max, Sosa, Urias can be moved if they/anyone wants them

Listen on non Varland controlled RP like Rogers/Flu/Fish, some team might be stupid.

Get in on the controlled SP convos. There appear to be a few out there.
 
axlsalinger said:
part of it is that in hockey and basketball, most often the absolute studs are top 5 picks. Yes you can get stars later from time to time but it's so random. So it's hard for great teams to build through the draft, since they have low picks and often trade them away. In baseball it's not as cut and dry, the players take longer to develop, and there are other factors like international signings. And you can't trade draft picks (with a couple of small exceptions).

Bottom line is that the Dodgers are the richest team in baseball, and also the smartest team in baseball. Not only do they draft well, but they've become lethal at minor league player development. So they are the best team in the league by far, and also have a top 2 farm system (debatable who's is better between them and the Brewers right now).
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Yeah, baseball prospects are picked young, and can really take deep paths to make it. Like Hope was an 11th round pick, traded to the Dodgers in the Michael Busch trade a few years ago, and then developed into a better prospect. De Paula, the Dodgers other top prospect, was a mid tier international signing. It's a lot more about scouting and the quality of your development programs.

MyNameIsJonas said:
Looking at everyone individually

Gausman cant be qualified and in theory should yield enough of a return to where its worth moving on from him, but i'd think the ceiling is a backend top 100 guy. I'd have no problem holding and letting him finish up here and talk extension after the year, but if the return is good enough, you should probably take it.

Varsho is having such a bad year and i have no idea how teams view him, but again, if the offers are lite, you can hold him too and give him a QO. The CF market, and our internal OF are as such to where i think 1/23 for Varsho might be the best possible outcome for our CF slot next year

Bieber is probably too expensive and bad/injured for anyone to give us more than a lotto ticket and you also probably wont find anyone in the org better than him to finish out the year, so, um, hold? i guess?

Hoffman is the one guy who might yield a big return, cause controlled high lev RP almost always get them. Dont sell lite, but actively look to move him IMO.

Springer is in the same category as Gausman, except he also has 10/5 rights. Basically do what he wants. As hot as he's been the market for a RHH DH cant be terribly strong

Straw, Max, Sosa, Urias can be moved if they/anyone wants them

Listen on non Varland controlled RP like Rogers/Flu/Fish, some team might be stupid.

Get in on the controlled SP convos. There appear to be a few out there.
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Gausman is a good starter, so I would think he could bring back a top 50 guy. I mean, I think even if you're only getting back someone in the back half of the top 100 prospect list, it's probably still worth it, rather than hang on and maybe hope that you can sign him to an extension. It's really going to come down to how many other starters are being moved, and how many teams are buying.

Varsho yeah has history, so a QO on him is on the table. In that case, you need someone to overpay for him. Hoff hopefully someone will give you a good return - you can keep him since the team definitely should still look to be back in contention next year, but especially with the pending lockout, I think you don't worry as much about the control.

I think you still trade guys like Springer and Bieber for lotto tickets. More tickets is always good, and the team isn't going anywhere. But yeah, you're not getting that much back for any of them, if nobody bites, so be it.
 
UWHabs said:
Yeah, baseball prospects are picked young, and can really take deep paths to make it. Like Hope was an 11th round pick, traded to the Dodgers in the Michael Busch trade a few years ago, and then developed into a better prospect. De Paula, the Dodgers other top prospect, was a mid tier international signing. It's a lot more about scouting and the quality of your development programs.



Gausman is a good starter, so I would think he could bring back a top 50 guy. I mean, I think even if you're only getting back someone in the back half of the top 100 prospect list, it's probably still worth it, rather than hang on and maybe hope that you can sign him to an extension. It's really going to come down to how many other starters are being moved, and how many teams are buying.

Varsho yeah has history, so a QO on him is on the table. In that case, you need someone to overpay for him. Hoff hopefully someone will give you a good return - you can keep him since the team definitely should still look to be back in contention next year, but especially with the pending lockout, I think you don't worry as much about the control.

I think you still trade guys like Springer and Bieber for lotto tickets. More tickets is always good, and the team isn't going anywhere. But yeah, you're not getting that much back for any of them, if nobody bites, so be it.
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I put giving them a chance to go for it ahead of lotto tickets, and what Zeke said isnt untrue about th perception of us selling either.

Im not sure what the return is going to be for Gausman/Peralta but based on Skubal i lean lite, fringe top 100 is the ceiling, which, you still take, but you dont drop much lower than that, especially a quantity poo poo platter offer, or fringey 4A guys that are "close" like the Happ deal.
 
If management thinks they built a contender, then giving up on them 3.5gms out after a world series appearance is pretty pathetic.

I remember many years where being in this position would have been a good year and have people screaming to be buyers, when the squad was nowhere near as good as this one.

But yay more blosses and schrecks.
 
zeke said:
If management thinks they built a contender, then giving up on them 3.5gms out after a world series appearance is pretty pathetic.

I remember many years where being in this position would have been a good year and have people screaming to be buyers, when the squad was nowhere near as good as this one.

But yay more blosses and schrecks.
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Their offense is so bad though.

Would you be in on a rental like Ward?
 
Urias is a career league average hitter (and solidly above avg vLHP) and continues to project to be one going forward. Solid glove at 2B too. He should be getting more playing time not less. Especially over Gimenez vLHP.

Now Sosa - him getting playing time was always weird.
 
zeke said:
Urias is a career league average hitter (and solidly above avg vLHP) and continues to project to be one going forward. Solid glove at 2B too. He should be getting more playing time not less. Especially over Gimenez vLHP.

Now Sosa - him getting playing time was always weird.
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Urias is fine and should have a bench spot next year but as a lead off guy for a contender is fugly
 
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