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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Montana said:
Price for Stroman. 1-1.


You say no?
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Tampa, the number of front line starting pitchers under 5'10 can be counted on one hand with 4 fingers left over.

Love Stro, I hope he beasts out in the rotation for a few years, but he likely ends up as our closer within 3-4 years.
 
Price would be tempting, but i still say no. Stroman is kind of awesome, and the shortterm upgrade to one rotation slot isn't enough to outweigh the next 7 years of control.

I mean, stroman is putting up price numbers this year so far himself.
 
All this talk makes me wonder....would the jays shutdown any of the young pitchers before the end of the year? Thinking stroman or hutch?
 
worm said:
All this talk makes me wonder....would the jays shutdown any of the young pitchers before the end of the year? Thinking stroman or hutch?
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They should be considering it. I was a bit choked watching Stroman throw 115 pitches or whatever when his fastball was down into the 90-91 range (average of 93.8 this season) from the 4th inning on. Yeah, let's run the 5'8 kid into the ground when he was showing classic signs of fatigue 70-80 pitches in.
 
MindzEye said:
None of them will be ready by 2016 when Dickey & MB's contract are up.
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Actually, all of stroman, hutch, nolin, sanchez, norris, hoffman, osuna should be in the picture in 2016.

And it may never be lower than it is right now...who the **** knows?
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Let me restate - very good chance they're at peak value right now.


Love Stro, but if we're being real here, It's unlikely he sticks in the rotation long termi
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Hogwash. He's already proven the "downward plane" argument wrong (measurable by pitch f/x), and relatedly hr have not been an issue in milb (0.75hr/9) or mlb (0.65).

He's got a full arsenal of plus pitches with plus velo and command.

We are extremely lucky people dismissed him because of a secondary non-pitching talent issue like head height, so that he fell to us.
 
worm said:
All this talk makes me wonder....would the jays shutdown any of the young pitchers before the end of the year? Thinking stroman or hutch?
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Stroman's ip are not an issue at all. He threw 120ip plus 30-40 more in extended ST when he was suspended. that puts any cap up near 200ip and he's only at 111 now.

Hutch is harder to tell. Not sure what post-TJ protocol is. I will say that he could really solve our RH RP woes if we do add another starter, though.
 
zeke said:
Trading either of them, even both if them, won't gut our system in the least.

We've got plenty of big arms putting up better lines than they did a couple levels down.

In fact, their value may never be higher than it is right now.

And as a comparison, i would not trade stroman....even for a two year rental.
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I'd have to agree with all of this.

Especially if it means landing us Price or Lester.
 
MindzEye said:
Tampa, the number of front line starting pitchers under 5'10 can be counted on one hand with 4 fingers left over.

Love Stro, I hope he beasts out in the rotation for a few years, but he likely ends up as our closer within 3-4 years.
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What?? How can you say this when he's been lights out as a starter so far?

You're way off. This kid is the real deal, and will be dealing well past the point that Price hangs them up.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
What?? How can you say this when he's been lights out as a starter so far?
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Because small starters throwing gas historically don't last.

You're way off. This kid is the real deal, and will be dealing well past the point that Price hangs them up.
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Durability, durability, durability. There is no comparable to Stroman for front line pitches of that size being successful starters over a long period of time. There have been a number of guys small in stature with big arms who end up in the bullpen though.
 
zeke said:
Actually, all of stroman, hutch, nolin, sanchez, norris, hoffman, osuna should be in the picture in 2016.
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Hoffman will maybe, if he's lucky have 60-70 innings of minor league rehab ball in before then. Osuna will be 20 years old. Nolin is almost 25 and having the type of control problems that has you wanting to trade Norris.


Let me restate - very good chance they're at peak value right now.
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That's like, your opinion, man. A bit of high minors success for Norris, and Sanchez continuing to look competent in the show down the stretch for us changes that some.


Hogwash. He's already proven the "downward plane" argument wrong (measurable by pitch f/x), and relatedly hr have not been an issue in milb (0.75hr/9) or mlb (0.65).

He's got a full arsenal of plus pitches with plus velo and command.

We are extremely lucky people dismissed him because of a secondary non-pitching talent issue like head height, so that he fell to us.
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Durability. Not effectiveness. You're more than welcome to provide examples of small top 3 starter success stories.
 
Pedro Martinez was about 5'9. Officially listed as 5'11, no way he was that height. (I stood next to him a few times)

I know he wasn't exactly iron man as he got older.
 
CH1 said:
Pedro Martinez was about 5'9. Officially listed as 5'11, no way he was that height. I stood next to him a few times. I know he wasn't exactly iron man as he got older.
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Yep, he's the obvious one. Pedro was tiny, and durable as ****.

I'm not saying impossible, just really unlikely. It's just harder for a little dude to throw gas 100 times a game, 32 times a season, season after season without breaking down.

fwiw, the odds of Stroman being his posted 5'9 is also slim to none.
 
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Pedro weighed 135lbs in the minors, which is insane. Dodgers never thought he'd be a MLB starter.
 
I blame Stroman's mom....and his dad for not selecting a taller genetic contributor....


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CH1 said:
Pedro Martinez was about 5'9. Officially listed as 5'11, no way he was that height. (I stood next to him a few times)

I know he wasn't exactly iron man as he got older.
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So if Stroman becomes the second best pitcher ever (pedro the first) we might want to start drafting smurfs....
 
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