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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

leafman101 said:
I think BBW was joking but Vladdy already has more WAR at 26 then Carter did his entire career.

He’s just behind Alomar in WAR/162 at the same age (5.1-4.4)
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I'm saying he won't win all the public support even if the Jays win a WS.

It's too much money...but I'm guessing he's got enough money to not give a fuck if and when things turn.
 
If Vladdy gets into his late 30's as an impact bat, and during his prime the Jays are a consistent playoff team, with heaven forbid, a WS win in there....the public support will be immense and no one will care about his contract.
 
It's $35m a year. Not a big deal. And finally the jays actually get to keep one of their franchise players instead of seeing him play through his prime on other teams.

And the team's reaction this year has been instant and massive.

And there's no cap in baseball. And it's Nepobaby Rogers' money so who gives a fuck.
 
Miggy signed his big extension at age 33. Just when he imploded/gave up. His big extension was worth $31m a year for 8yrs, not much less than Guerrero will be making - and Guerrero won't hit his age 33 season until nearly 20yrs after miggy hit his, with near 20yrs of payroll inflation to diminish that type of salary.
 
It's crazy numbers, but a fair deal, and nothing to even bother thinking about for probably another 7-10 years.

Forget about Vladdy. Get Bo signed now. He's been amazing and a key part of our success.
 
GEEMAN said:
Got those Cabrera vibes where those last 7 years are no bueno
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No it doesn't.

Miggy played most of his prime at like 6'4 270+ and was legit immoble, slow. I know you're fixated on Vladdy's physical conditioning, but you're way off on how fit he is:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7YjFFkC1s

Vladdy is comfortably average (despite being 6'0 230-240) in MLB sprint speed and a faster HP to 1B than Bichette, .1 seconds slower than Varsho, Schneider, .08 slower than Lukes, .07 slower than Springer.

Statcast data doesn't exist from when Miggy was 26 to compare directly. But from 32 (where Miggy had very similar base running impacts as he did at 26) do exist.

Miggy had a HP to 1B of 5.04 seconds, which is brutal and near bottom of the league. Vladdy has an average 4.6. Vladdy's sprint speed is again an averag 26.8 ft/second, Miggy a battleship like 24.0

For comparison, our own little immovable object, Alejandro Kirk, one of the worst baserunners in MLB scores out at at 4.90 HP to 1B, and sprint speed of 24.1 Both near the dead bottom of the league.

There's no reason to expect Vlad to age like Cabrera when Cabrera was much bigger, much slower, and much less athletic than Vladdy.
 
MindzEye said:
No it doesn't.

Miggy played most of his prime at like 6'4 270+ and was legit immoble, slow. I know you're fixated on Vladdy's physical conditioning, but you're way off on how fit he is:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7YjFFkC1s

Vladdy is comfortably average (despite being 6'0 230-240) in MLB sprint speed and a faster HP to 1B than Bichette, .1 seconds slower than Varsho, Schneider, .08 slower than Lukes, .07 slower than Springer.

Statcast data doesn't exist from when Miggy was 26 to compare directly. But from 32 (where Miggy had very similar base running impacts as he did at 26) do exist.

Miggy had a HP to 1B of 5.04 seconds, which is brutal and near bottom of the league. Vladdy has an average 4.6. Vladdy's sprint speed is again an averag 26.8 ft/second, Miggy a battleship like 24.0

For comparison, our own little immovable object, Alejandro Kirk, one of the worst baserunners in MLB scores out at at 4.90 HP to 1B, and sprint speed of 24.1 Both near the dead bottom of the league.

There's no reason to expect Vlad to age like Cabrera when Cabrera was much bigger, much slower, and much less athletic than Vladdy.
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GEEMAN has had abysmal Vlad takes for like 2 years.

Zero reason to engage.
 
Vladdy has power, but I think we're more likely to see ~30hr a year than 40+ out of him. I think people overestimate how big he is and his swing plane isn't really condusive to huge power numbers. It's a testament to how fucking hard he hits line drives that he hits 30+ to begin with. Most guys who hit big consistent power numbers are either huge like Judge, or are just normal big guys who have big uppercut swings like Ohtani.
 
Also fwiw regarding Vlad's power. Hitting is contagious. The year he hit 48, he had both Marcus Semien *45 hr* and Teo *31 hr* hitting behind him. If you want to understand the thought process of a pitcher, watch Trever Bauer's videos breaking down his starts pitch by pitch (yes, I know he's a twat). The amount of times he's trying to be careful against a hitter he thinks is dangerous, misses his spot/doesn't get a swing he's trying to get and then just says fuck it and pitches around the guy is illuminating. When you have big swinging dicks behind you in the lineup, you're going to get more pitchers trying to be cute early, putting themselves in hitters counts and then being forced to challenge down 2-1/3-1 (because walking a guy to face a 40hr hitter with a man on is dumb) and getting smeshed.

Moar power begets moar power.
 
MindzEye said:
Vladdy has power, but I think we're more likely to see ~30hr a year than 40+ out of him. I think people overestimate how big he is and his swing plane isn't really condusive to huge power numbers. It's a testament to how fucking hard he hits line drives that he hits 30+ to begin with. Most guys who hit big consistent power numbers are either huge like Judge, or are just normal big guys who have big uppercut swings like Ohtani.
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homeruns are a noisy stat. ISO is much more useful.

.209iso career. .221 last year. .290 in his huge 2021 year which was likely a fluke.

This year he's at a near career low .179 (aside from his rookie .162), but that's already up from the .150-.160 he's carried most of the year, and likely he ends up at his usual low-.200s iso by the end of the year, a good 30+ points higher than now.
 
this doesn't include today's HR vs a lefty:


Bo thru May:

vRHP 213pa 126wrc+
vLHP 50pa 46wrc+

Since June

vRHP 181pa 116wrc+
vLHP 64pa 200wrc+


Season

vRHP 394pa 122wrc+
vLHP 114pa 132wrc+

Career

vRHP 2514pa 117wrc+
vLHP 658pa 131wrc+



Looks like the weird slump he had vLHP last year and to start this year finally corrected itself.
 
MindzEye said:
No it doesn't.

Miggy played most of his prime at like 6'4 270+ and was legit immoble, slow. I know you're fixated on Vladdy's physical conditioning, but you're way off on how fit he is:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7YjFFkC1s

Vladdy is comfortably average (despite being 6'0 230-240) in MLB sprint speed and a faster HP to 1B than Bichette, .1 seconds slower than Varsho, Schneider, .08 slower than Lukes, .07 slower than Springer.

Statcast data doesn't exist from when Miggy was 26 to compare directly. But from 32 (where Miggy had very similar base running impacts as he did at 26) do exist.

Miggy had a HP to 1B of 5.04 seconds, which is brutal and near bottom of the league. Vladdy has an average 4.6. Vladdy's sprint speed is again an averag 26.8 ft/second, Miggy a battleship like 24.0

For comparison, our own little immovable object, Alejandro Kirk, one of the worst baserunners in MLB scores out at at 4.90 HP to 1B, and sprint speed of 24.1 Both near the dead bottom of the league.

There's no reason to expect Vlad to age like Cabrera when Cabrera was much bigger, much slower, and much less athletic than Vladdy.
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its only 14 years
 
today offers more support for the arguments that neither Lukes nor Schneider are necessarily just platoon players.
 
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