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P.K. Subban

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So now you're on the players side? .:couch

Just think of think of Bergevin vs Meehan as a micro-continuation of the NHL labor dispute.

I feel that I'm on the same side as I was during the lockout. The side of what is fair and deserved.

I feel that the new CBA ended up being quite fair.... and I feel PK deserves either a 1 year $4M deal or a long term deal that pays between $4.5-5M a year depending on how many of his UFA years we get.
 
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Josh Gorges is responsible for +6.72 of PK's + 8 last season. #truestat
 
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Thank you and I'm sorry for my snappiness back. :cheers2:

As for the argument. There were 2 different discussions happening and they really shouldn't be combined. There was the discussion about PK's on ice value. He plays a lot of minutes and handles them very well. His defensive play is very good and his offensive play is solid, and likely to improve. For that I feel he deserves around $4.5M a year on a long term deal.

The other argument was that he's a cancer in the room and that he's not well liked and also that us PK fans would not like him if he played for a rival. That conversation should have almost nothing to do with his salary.

Anyone combining these two arguments is confusing the issues. They are two completely different and unrelated topics.

When I brought up PK's character, it was not about him being a cancer in the dressing room. It was more about his coachability. He's a bit of a selfish player out there and he needed to be constantly reminded to play the team's game (or the white way!). He got better at that by the end of the season but I'm pretty sure that management would like to keep him on leash a bit longer with a shorter contract than to give him the long term contract he wants. He had Alex Henry lecturing him in Hamilton, then Gill in Montreal. I'm not sure who will be PK next babysitter.
 
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When I brought up PK's character, it was not about him being a cancer in the dressing room. It was more about his coachability. He's a bit of a selfish player out there and he needed to be constantly reminded to play the team's game (or the white way!). He got better at that by the end of the season but I'm pretty sure that management would like to keep him on leash a bit longer with a shorter contract than to give him the long term contract he wants. He had Alex Henry lecturing him in Hamilton, then Gill in Montreal. I'm not sure who will be PK next babysitter.

We agree again.
 
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I find the whole idea that people are claiming that PK needs a "baby sitter" to be a very odd position.

Virtually every young player has mentors on their teams but for some reason with PK they refer to the mentor as a "baby sitter." I'm not going to venture a guess as to why he has "baby sitters" while other players have mentors, but it's odd that's for sure.
 
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I find the whole idea that people are claiming that PK needs a "baby sitter" to be a very odd position.

Virtually every young player has mentors on their teams but for some reason with PK they refer to the mentor as a "baby sitter." I'm not going to venture a guess as to why he has "baby sitters" while other players have mentors, but it's odd that's for sure.

Because we're all racists, haven't you heard?
 
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Because we're all racists, haven't you heard?

Not necessarily racists, but possibly some of you are... and the others listen to the shit that racists spew and recycle it. And some may dislike PK for reasons outside of his race.

Malkin lived with and was mentored by Gonchar for his first 3 years in the league.
Crosby lived with Mario and was mentored by Mario, Roberts and Guerin for the first 4 or 5 years in the league.

Most players have mentors on the team, with PK he gets a "baby sitter."

Why is that?
 
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Not necessarily racists, but possibly some of you are... and the others listen to the shit that racists spew and recycle it. And some may dislike PK for reasons outside of his race.

Malkin lived with and was mentored by Gonchar for his first 3 years in the league.
Crosby lived with Mario and was mentored by Mario, Roberts and Guerin for the first 4 or 5 years in the league.

Most players have mentors on the team, with PK he gets a "baby sitter."

Why is that?

I have a feeling some fans on message boards used the term baby sitter for Crosby and Malkin...especially Crosby.
 
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Not necessarily racists, but possibly some of you are... and the others listen to the shit that racists spew and recycle it. And some may dislike PK for reasons outside of his race.

Malkin lived with and was mentored by Gonchar for his first 3 years in the league.
Crosby lived with Mario and was mentored by Mario, Roberts and Guerin for the first 4 or 5 years in the league.

Most players have mentors on the team, with PK he gets a "baby sitter."

Why is that?

That term came from the players on the team. Just saying.
 
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Babysitter may have been just an offhand substitute for mentor, but since you're into exploring it, I would say babysitter implies that the person might get into trouble if left completely unsupervised.

Crosby didn't need a babysitter. He was probably in his room practicing his canned "aw shucks" speeches until he fell asleep at 11PM.

PK, on the other hand, is a lot more fun. Like Ferris Bueller, he'll crash your dad's fancy car if you let him.
 
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Babysitter may have been just an offhand substitute for mentor, but since you're into exploring it, I would say babysitter implies that the person might get into trouble if left completely unsupervised.

Crosby didn't need a babysitter. He was probably in his room practicing his canned "aw shucks" speeches until he fell asleep at 11PM.

PK, on the other hand, is a lot more fun. Like Ferris Bueller, he'll crash your dad's fancy car if you let him.

Maybe I'm just blind but PK seems like a very responsible guy. He's definitely full of energy but he doesn't seem like a guy who'll get into trouble. While a lot of players were out partying and just having a good time in general. You always see pictures of players drinking on Twitter and other places. PK kept working throughout the lockout. He made a bunch of TV appearances and worked on the Sportsnet panel.

I've never heard about PK getting into trouble at all. I doubt he had a baby sitter during the lockout.
 
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Babysitter may have been just an offhand substitute for mentor, but since you're into exploring it, I would say babysitter implies that the person might get into trouble if left completely unsupervised.

Crosby didn't need a babysitter. He was probably in his room practicing his canned "aw shucks" speeches until he fell asleep at 11PM.

PK, on the other hand, is a lot more fun. Like Ferris Bueller, he'll crash your dad's fancy car if you let him.

That's when Mario would actually let him get some sleep.
 
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