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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Red Line said:
Tavares can't play C and is about 5m overpaid, we could have kept Hyman for half the price to replace JT's net front play.

Sammy's a rfa
Brodie's has 1 yr left and has declined
Gio is done
Lilly get's scratched every year by your next goat coach and his deal is up after this upcoming season
Jarnkrok a value deal, lol
McCabe's a 3rd pairing D that Dubie paid a 1st for and is only worth what we're paying him

You must have gotten depressed after only being able to dig up that list of names to pimp your boy Dubas.
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I mean sure you can just say stuff.

and then wonder why the team is top 5 every year, and better than Lou's teams with all those "value" contracts.
 
Montana said:
Kerfoot had 83pts over the last two seasons, never missed a game…3-4pts of that PP….15-16 mins a night.


was he really that dogshit for $3.5m, as to be a primary reason we didn’t make it out of the first round more often?


his nerdies must be horrific, i assume?
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He's not a terrible hockey player, he's just not remotely what we need. He can rack up some secondary points when playing with JT+Nylander, but he brings nothing to the line, just empty second assists. When he's on the 3rd line he does very little of anything (he's one of the "low event" specialists we talk about....poor shot generation, decent shot suppression). Allergic to board work and the front of the net.

At this point his playoff sample is representative imo. It is a different style of play than the regular season and his already very meh production rates dip even further. 6 goals in 48 playoff games while receiving 15+ minutes a night. 4 goals in 30 Leaf playoff games with the majority of his 9 playoff assists with us being secondary assists. That's just not a guy out there making plays with any consistency. You can't be paying a veteran winger 3.5 million to do as little as he does. If you really want a soft "glue guy" out there, your system should be generating them for cheap every year. I struggle to see what Kerfoot does that Holmberg doesn't, for example other than PK. He's not particularly good on a scoring line, he's not particularly good on a checking line that is handling the heavies....so what the fuck does he actually do?
 
MindzEye said:
He's not a terrible hockey player, he's just not remotely what we need. He can rack up some secondary points when playing with JT+Nylander, but he brings nothing to the line, just empty second assists. When he's on the 3rd line he does very little of anything (he's one of the "low event" specialists we talk about....poor shot generation, decent shot suppression). Allergic to board work and the front of the net.

At this point his playoff sample is representative imo. It is a different style of play than the regular season and his already very meh production rates dip even further. 6 goals in 48 playoff games while receiving 15+ minutes a night. 4 goals in 30 Leaf playoff games with the majority of his 9 playoff assists with us being secondary assists. That's just not a guy out there making plays with any consistency. You can't be paying a veteran winger 3.5 million to do as little as he does. If you really want a soft "glue guy" out there, your system should be generating them for cheap every year. I struggle to see what Kerfoot does that Holmberg doesn't, for example other than PK. He's not particularly good on a scoring line, he's not particularly good on a checking line that is handling the heavies....so what the fuck does he actually do?
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Montana said:
theathletic.com

Every NHL team’s worst value contract in 2022-23

A look at NHL players who didn't quite live up to their contracts this past season and how much longer those deals will be on the books for.
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Interesting that the kadri and Mangiapane deals were approximately as inefficient as the Rielly deal.

Though it's a huge credit to Dubas that somehow a 3.4gsva player made this list no doubt. That's a tight ship. 3.4gsva means somewhere in the top-25 skaters in the league.

And I'm sure the flames would look worse the more contracts we looked at.

I was wondering how Huberdeau wasn't on that list and then i realized his extension doesn't kick in until next year, and he was only at $5.9 last year.
 
LeafGm said:
Still pissed on Phil Kessel’s behalf that Crosby got the Conn Smythe trophy he deserved for the first of Pittsburgh’s back-to-back Cups.

Though the Conn Smythe can’t be used as a hot-dog container, so Phil probably wasn’t too bothered by it.
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Phil went straight to the gym after they won the cup to do 330 pound split squats and scream across the room at Crosby for being a bum.
 
Worst part about the dubas kerf love affair is that it was the lowest hanging fruit to change up on the entire roster. Most obvious, yet necessary decision to replace him to try to find an actual scorer or line driver for that money (or even a little more is fine) and he decided "nah I'm good". Just a bizarre obsession.

He was supposed to be the leader of their depth at that AAV and provide that secondary scoring that they could have fucking used the last few playoffs, but year after year dubas watched him fail. And did nothing about it. Bizarre tbh.
 
Kerfoot wasn't too inefficient but still inefficient, and we weren't supposed be a team that had inefficiencies in depth.
 
All kidding aside, I was reading about this guy who ingested all of his writing to create an AI chatbot of himself.

So you can ask this chatbot anything and it will answer based on all the previous data/opinions
 
Red Line said:
Tavares can't play C and is about 5m overpaid, we could have kept Hyman for half the price to replace JT's net front play.
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Lets' take the top 32 scoring centremen, Tavares is:

#15 in goals
#18 in points
#4 in power-play points
#2 in FO% (726/1245)

My calculated value based on league wide point value: $9,371,431

So overpaid by: $1,628,569 (by my valuation)
 
BG said:
Lets' take the top 32 scoring centremen, Tavares is:

#15 in goals
#18 in points
#4 in power-play points
#2 in FO% (726/1245)

My calculated value based on league wide point value: $9,371,431

So overpaid by: $1,628,569 (by my valuation)
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Hell chop it down even more if you want - say he's $7-8m guy in reality. That still doesn't make his contract an anchor.

Anchor contracts are when you have actual bad players who shouldn't evn be in the league getting paid big money for multiple years, like Marleau and Zaitsev and Clarkson etc.
 
..which is to say that he'd be an average #1 centre on any team in the league, except he's our #2.

However, he's getting slower - and needs complimentary wingers for his line to have success. Hardly a bad player, and still has elite hands.
 
BG said:
Lets' take the top 32 scoring centremen, Tavares is:

#15 in goals
#18 in points
#4 in power-play points
#2 in FO% (726/1245)

My calculated value based on league wide point value: $9,371,431

So overpaid by: $1,628,569 (by my valuation)
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and this is fair, I get why someone would assess him like that.

I just can't ride with the idea that you're paying someone premium money based on their power play production.

PP production is generally extremely noisey year to year (JT scored 18 PP goals last season, a career high by 5 goals and more than he scored in the 2 previous seasons combined) and puts the value of a player almost solely in the hands of the zebras making calls (and at the right times)

Yes, PP production counts too, but 5v5 play is far, far more important.
 
I’m accepting I’m the one missing it, here…but i am still slightly confused on Kerfoot.…and in a ideal world I’d love to spend that $3.5m on someone else….but like…

23 goals, 83pts over last two years, 164gp.

55.08 GF% (venue score adjusted)
52.79 xGF%
54.05 SCF%
54.01 HDCF%

…and as far as I can tell, looks to have been a decent enough contributor on the PK? (plenty of the above > Mitch or Kaampf, but it less TOI).


Are those all “meh” type numbers for $3.5m third liners? (Legit asking).


Would we have easily gotten better on the FA market for that?….(I assuming yes?)…and if so, who are some of the obvious guys we missed out on grabbing with that money for instance.
 
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