The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

[zeke]

I was perusing the list of UFA trying to see which guys I think would be undervalued bargain deals and the name that popped out was....

...Justin Holl. heh.


J.T. Compher is an interesting name. I woulda thought the Avs would have extended him already. He was very productive in a big and tough usage 2C role this year. Then again, just a year before i would have had him in the Kerfoot category so i dunno.

 

[MindzEye]

Burke on Tree, from his book:

"...Brad owns a couple of Boston Pizza outlets himself, and he stands to inherit millions and millions of dollars someday. But still, he’s got a tremendous work ethic. When I was an assistant GM, I was known for always being on the road, turning up in one rink after another to scout players. But Brad may have outdone me. You’d see him at a college rink one day, then the next day you’d walk into an AHL rink, and he’d already be there. He worked like a dog. When the league was running the Phoenix Coyotes and Brad was part of the front office, Bill Daly used to rave about him, talking about how much he had his shit together.

"So, Brad was a great hire for us, not just in terms of his hockey IQ, but his values as well. He’s a good family guy. He’s fair with players and employees. He has a really big heart to go with a really big brain. He’s a joy to work with—we still text or talk to each other nearly every other day. We also have a similar vision of what winning hockey looks like. Brad doesn’t like it quite as crude as I like it, and he thinks the style of game I like is outdated ()—and to be fair, there’s some truth to that. But he’s a terrific person, and in Calgary we formed a very strong partnership."

This is obviously our most hopeful period of Tree's reign, but the general narrative right now really does seem to be that he's a relatively progressive thinker who just happened to get hired by an old school organization that was resistant to change.

 

[Habsy]

Still can't believe covid made you a woke socialist

Fucking vaccines

 

[Preston]

This is obviously our most hopeful period of Tree's reign, but the general narrative right now really does seem to be that he's a relatively progressive thinker who just happened to get hired by an old school organization that was resistant to change.

All I ever wanted was a GM that made data driven decisions. Kyle sorta stopped doing that entirely near the end, though he was still a fine GM. My fear was always that he'd be replaced by a boomer that hated nerd shit and re-shaped the way the team was built. That didn't happen. The doomsdaying on this one never made much sense to me despite his admittedly mixed track record (much like Kyle's).

 

[LeafGm]

All I ever wanted was a GM that made data driven decisions. Kyle sorta stopped doing that entirely near the end, though he was still a fine GM. My fear was always that he'd be replaced by a boomer that hated nerd shit and re-shaped the way the team was built. That didn't happen. The doomsdaying on this one never made much sense to me despite his admittedly mixed track record (much like Kyle's).

Really can’t figure out how you can look at Treliving’s track record when it comes to the contracts he’s handed out and claim that the “doomsaying never made much sense”.

Unless you do some mental gymnastics and convince yourself that someone else forced him to hand out those deals, or that he’s learned his lesson.

 

[CH1]

Red Line Dubas checks all the boxes.

As much I would have chuckled if it occurred, I never though Leafs would replace Dubas with a nerd hating dinosaur. Those guys are becoming extinct.

 

[Jeremy]

Really can’t figure out how you can look at Treliving’s track record when it comes to the contracts he’s handed out and claim that the “doomsaying never made much sense”.

Unless you do some mental gymnastics and convince yourself that someone else forced him to hand out those deals, or that he’s learned his lesson.

BeLeaf LGM. BeLeaf.

 

[leafman101]

I was perusing the list of UFA trying to see which guys I think would be undervalued bargain deals and the name that popped out was....

...Justin Holl. heh.


J.T. Compher is an interesting name. I woulda thought the Avs would have extended him already. He was very productive in a big and tough usage 2C role this year. Then again, just a year before i would have had him in the Kerfoot category so i dunno.

What is his disruption %?

 

[zeke]

Really can’t figure out how you can look at Treliving’s track record when it comes to the contracts he’s handed out and claim that the “doomsaying never made much sense”.

Unless you do some mental gymnastics and convince yourself that someone else forced him to hand out those deals, or that he’s learned his lesson.

I feel comfortable saying that there is definitely a "small market canadian team" tax.

Even then, while i disagree with his cap allocation philosophy, the guys he signed were mostly very good by the nerdies too, even if he overpaid them.

The one that sticks out as probably the worst was maybe his first one - James Neal. I don't remember but I can't believe that the analytics were very good on him by that point.

 

[Preston]

Really can’t figure out how you can look at Treliving’s track record when it comes to the contracts he’s handed out and claim that the “doomsaying never made much sense”.

Unless you do some mental gymnastics and convince yourself that someone else forced him to hand out those deals, or that he’s learned his lesson.

I liked everything he did but those deals. And his track record in identifying players/talent is very strong, even on those deals. He just tended to overpay for them. My main point is that he quite literally can't do that in Toronto with this cap structure. He can maybe sign 1 forward for real money now that Kerf is gone (it won't take much to get an upgrade there.. Someone with a pulse would do).. and probably even a D. The D is gonna be more difficult, but if you look at how he built up his D in Calgary, it's hard for me to get too discouraged. The guy was tremendously successful in building their d corps kinda like our old friend with glasses!

But I was pretty bullish on Calgary for awhile from a data standpoint. He built a great team there, starting from nothing. The Alberta tax sorta crushed them in the end with players fleeing and possibly needing to overpay for guys. But if you look at every other candidate out there you'll find as much or more crippling errors from them, including Dubas. Maybe not Tulsky? But sure, if you like the mystery box, have at it.

 

[hockeylover]

To me the doomsday scenario was definitely a total old school dinosaur guy. I'm still a bit skeptical of Treliving but open to seeing what he does at least.

 

[MindzEye]

I was perusing the list of UFA trying to see which guys I think would be undervalued bargain deals and the name that popped out was....

...Justin Holl. heh.


J.T. Compher is an interesting name. I woulda thought the Avs would have extended him already. He was very productive in a big and tough usage 2C role this year. Then again, just a year before i would have had him in the Kerfoot category so i dunno.

Holl would be another excuse to block Lilly though. Lilly needs to not just be played, but he relied upon. He's got all situations talent and we're not developing it.

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Lilly
Gio-Timmins
Schenn

Should be the starting point imo. If a real gud #1-2 comes available to push Brodie to the left or McCabe to the 3rd pairing, beautful. But for the love of god can we stop fucking about around the edges and simply play Lilly & Timmins until they show us what they are?

As for Compher, yeah he's probably the most likely guy to get a stupid contract.

Most interesting forwards for me are ROR, Haula, Rodrigues, Staal, Bjugstad, and then some of the overage AHL types like that Matthews Phillips guy from the Flames org, Carcone from Arizona, Lane Pederson. Nothing particularly sexy out there though, just some good to decent NHL bodies if the contract is right and some minor league Bunting style lottery tickets.

 

[leafman101]

Burke made him do all those bad contracts anyway. He was going to trade for Jack Hughes.

 

[hockeylover]

Holl would be another excuse to block Lilly though. Lilly needs to not just be played, but he relied upon. He's got all situations talent and we're not developing it.

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Lilly
Gio-Timmins
Schenn

Should be the starting point imo. If a real gud #1-2 comes available to push Brodie to the left or McCabe to the 3rd pairing, beautful. But for the love of god can we need fuck about around the edges and simply play Lilly & Timmins until they show us what they are?

As for Compher, yeah he's probably the most likely guy to get a stupid contract.

Most interesting forwards for me are ROR, Haula, Rodrigues, Staal, Bjugstad, and then some of the overage AHL types like that Matthews Phillips guy from the Flames org, Carcone from Arizona, Lane Pederson. Nothing particularly sexy out there though, just some good to decent NHL bodies if the contract is right and some minor league Bunting style lottery tickets.

Schenn's rumoured to want 2m and why wouldn't Keefe just use him to block Lilly again?

 

[leafman101]

Treliving said he wants the team to be better in front of the nets. Its the most important area of the game in the playoffs. Holl stinks in those battles.

 

[Hoss]

but schenn doesn't.

I aint paying Schenn 2 mill, but 1 for 2 seasons is acceptable. I also keep Gio and have Gio and Schenn literally play every other game to keep them healthy come playoffs. Load management. That's the bottom pair.

Treliving said he wants the team to be better in front of the nets. Its the most important area of the game in the playoffs. Holl stinks in those battles.

 

[zeke]

yeah looking at the UFA D the only guy that I see as an actual dependable Top-4 guy borderline Top-2 guy is Orlov, and I'm guessing he gets way overpaid. The rest of the top names will all get paid too but I'm not convinced any of them are more than borderline Top-4 guys - names like Gavrikov, Severson, Mayfield, Dumba. I'd be happy sticking with what we have plus a cheapo Schenn. Or actually maybe a cheapo Gustafsson would be the play. nerdies always love that guy.

I actually think that if Brad wants to make a big move on D it's the trade market.....with Calgary being the source of the trade. Weegar? Hanifin? Andersson? Tanev?

 

[Preston]

To me the doomsday scenario was definitely a total old school dinosaur guy. I'm still a bit skeptical of Treliving but open to seeing what he does at least.

“You think Joe Smith had a great game or vice-versa, a lot of times you watch it the next day and he wasn’t quite as poor or wasn’t quite as good as you thought,” Treliving told Friedman. “When you know what the score was and the emotion’s removed from it you look at things in a completely different manner. As long as you’ve been in the game you try to be objective when you watch, but it’s hard.”

They hired another "your eyes are lying sons of bitches" GM. He just happened to say it way less eloquently than the young, sexy, smooth Kyle.

 

[Preston]

Andersson would be awesome. Weegar is a risk worth taking too. I think they will and should target a top tier 2/3 guy to replace Muzzin. And yeah, you can only do that via trade.

 

[hockeylover]

but schenn doesn't.

I aint paying Schenn 2 mill, but 1 for 2 seasons is acceptable. I also keep Gio and have Gio and Schenn literally play every other game to keep them healthy come playoffs. Load management. That's the bottom pair.

We already know this will not be how Schenn is used. He's gonna play, probably with Rielly.