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Montana said:
Troy Aikman for instance said he spoke with a GM who told him there were no franchise QB's in this class. (Talking Brady/Rodgers/Luck/Brees/Rivers calibre guys)....and Aikman tended to agree.
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Or in other words, today's non-franchise QBs are not as good as most of the QBs who were equally considered non-franchised quality when they were drafted. Translation: nobody knows what happens next.

Of the Brady/Rodgers/Luck/Brees/Rivers guys only Luck and Rivers were considered franchise QBs. The other guys had serious question marks.

Brees (short, no arm strength, a product mostly of the spread offense)
Rodgers (horrible mechanics, will never be able to throw deep)
Brady (slow, weak arm, might be worth a 6th round pick)
 
Or in other words, today's non-franchise QBs are not as good as most of the QBs who were equally considered non-franchised
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You seem to be really intent on arguing strawmen no one is putting forth.....Aikmen & said GM, are simply pointing out none of these guys are clear Franchise QB's like the Peyton's/Rivers/Luck types....no one is claiming these current prospects cant become franchise guys.

On the contrary, it goes back to what I've been saying over and over...plenty of these guys have the talent to be good/great, it's just a matter of how their teams are able to develop them, what kind of O-line they're able to build in front of them, and what kind of offensive system their squads impose.

The true franchise QB that's going to succeed no matter what, isn't in this draft.....but there's 3-5 guys, who can be very viable starters in this league and one or two of them who can be top 5-10 at the position if everything breaks right for them developmentally.


Guys like Brees, Rivers, and Brady are much more a testament to the coaching/franchises they development under, than they are to the calibre of prospect they were that people "missed".

Dak & Wilson are likely better examples of that, imo.
 
I was clearly arguing with Troy Aikman. I'm surprised you took it personally.

Aikman is operating under severe hindsight bias. And like most people in the media biz, his job is to have strong opinions. The reality is franchise QB prospecting is very much a speculative endeavour. Not to mention that the traits that define whatever a "franchise QB" looks like are constantly being tweaked. Almost every QB prospect has a potential tragic flaw when the scouts pull out their magnifying glasses.
 
That's what I figured, you didn't understand the point....and were debating a self-created strawman.

Least we got that sorted.
 
Montana said:
That's what I figured, you didn't understand the point....and were debating a self-created strawman.

Least we got that sorted.
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There is no point. Aikman's analysis is useless. Franchise QBs are made more than they are drafted. So yeah, you're not going to see them until at least a year of NFL play, and usually more.
 
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Also, I remember you loving Josh Freeman and his metrics, and thought the Bucs were crazy to release him. Now, he might get the starting job with the Alouettes.
 
I don't know what would be more embarassing having that Josh Freeman take (doesn't sound like anything I recall having).....or clinging to someone having that take 5+ years ago, and bringing it up as some sort of "gotcha". Hahah.


Oof.
 
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Montana said:
I don't know what would be more embarassing having that Josh Freeman take (doesn't sound like anything I recall having).....or clinging to someone having that take 5+ years ago, and bringing it up as some sort of "gotcha". Hahah.


Oof.
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Again, missing the point. Your hold extremely overconfident opinions on topics that involve a ton of speculation.
 
Initially, Norman said, he dismissed Darnold as “just a guy” before seeing him in person “making these throws and you are like, ‘All right, that’s not so much a college-level throw.’ ”

The Redskins did their best to confuse the newcomer. Norman said they mostly failed.

“You kind of like mess with him a little bit and bait him, thinking that he’s going to throw a route you can make a play on, but he’s not having it,” Norman said. “It’s so crazy to see that at an early age. Dak [Prescott] had that. Carson [Wentz] has that. So it’s like, man, they must just come in here not wanting to screw it up.

“So far, he’s impressed me. And I didn’t want him to. That’s the main thing. I want to break all rookies’ backs.”

Norman, 30, a seventh-year veteran and former Pro Bowler, cited one play in particular in a 7-on-7 drill in which the Redskins defense “gave him some cheese” in an attempt to rattle him.

“He was going to throw it,” Norman said, “but then he pulled it back and I jumped back real fast and I was like, ‘You little devil; OK, I see you. You’re working. You’re working really good right now.’ I couldn’t bait him like I wanted, and he saw it.

“He read it out like a vet. You’ve got to tip your hat to a guy like that. He’s learning at an early age when guys are messing with him. It’s pretty awesome.”

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“From what I’m seeing, that kid, he’s all right, man; he really is,” Norman said of Darnold. “It’s going to be interesting to see. I think he has the smarts and wittiness about him that he’ll make the plays when it comes his way. He’ll be successful in this league if he keeps going like that.”
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https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/jets-sam-darnold-josh-norman-1.20472611
 
Monster Deal

Da Bears acquire Mack from Raiders for 2 1st-round picks.
 
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