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Semin plays a very responsible defensive game, IMO, and fancy stats reflect his possession skills. Plus gives Jordan an actual top-six winger for a change to support his two-way game.

Believe Boychuk played right wing for the equally RW-challenged Checkers last year, so not a new role.

There's always LaRose...
 
One thing that Ronnie has repeatedly said was part of the reason why the Canes were inactive in the offseason in terms of acquistions was to allow for some our prospects to fight for open spots. Hopefully some of them seize this opportunity that has been presented to them.

This is going to be a critical part of the franchise's success as the cap continues to run away from the reality our 'small-mid market' finances. This team NEEDS to have our draft picks/kids develop and contribute at the NHL level. I view this camp and season as the first step in what I expect to be an ongoing process to lean on our prospects to fill NHL roles in an effort to control payroll. I expect that we will see expanded usage of our prospects this year, with Peters putting them in the roles that match their skills (as he said he would in that forum). Since I'm a big fan of giving our prospects a look and every chance to succeed, I view this as an exciting change in direction. I would much rather see guys like Rask, Terry, Boychuk, McGinn, etc. fail then have to watch someone like Radek Dvorak take up ice time or Pat Dwyer being overslotted.
 
cmaleski2 said:
...I view this as an exciting change in direction. I would much rather see guys like Rask, Terry, Boychuk, McGinn, etc. fail then have to watch someone like Radek Dvorak take up ice time or Pat Dwyer being overslotted.
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Safe is death...at least as an entertainment product. We've all watched an awful lot of ice minutes through the years with just placeholders skating around for a shift doing no harm. The list of such players for the Canes is legion. You know 'em.

But I'm there to be entertained. And part of that entertainment is the drama of the learning curve.

New core is emerging. Heck, we'll soon have a completely homegrown defense. Imagine that.
 
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It will be interesting to see how secure Nash's spot is. I wouldn't mind seeing Rask or someone else shake Nash out of the lineup in camp. With a 2 way deal and a new set of eyes evaluating things I view Nash's spot as open until he proves otherwise.
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I'm hoping and praying that at least one if not two of these so called prospects finally has the light bulb come on this season and realize they have an NHL roster spot right before their eyes. Boychuk, Terry, Rask, McGinn...some of these guys have to look at that paper thin depth chart up front and realize that positions are open for the taking with hard work and consistency. The moment you start moving Patty Dwyer back up to a second or third line or expecting big offense from Riley Nash, this team is doomed for failure yet again.
 
A. Semin is actually one of Carolina's more effective two-way forwards ... mostly because he's the rare beast around here who is actually both interested in back-checking and effective at it. He gets a bad rap as an offense-only winger when his play really doesn't support that position. During his time in Raleigh his rep as a two-way player has probably been hamstrung by the fact that his centerman has been so disinterested in playing a two-way game. Cough, cough ... you know who I mean.

B. Boychuk has played on both wings at both the AHL and NHL levels. The way the modern systems work it's a lot more fluid anyway. No big deal playing him on his off wing so long as he's willing to bust his butt out there and pay closer attention to ALL of his assignments ... not just the ones that lead to scoring chances.

C. Show me the NHL team with four balanced lines and I'll show you a true Cup contender. Seriously ... look at some lines around the league. Pretty much every team has one line that's a dog and pony show. Some have two. Having an unsettled third line is probably a positive, as it opens up some room for one or more of the kids to make a splash and earn some actual playing time somewhere other than the grunt line.
 
jeffbear said:
A. Semin is actually one of Carolina's more effective two-way forwards ... mostly because he's the rare beast around here who is actually both interested in back-checking and effective at it. He gets a bad rap as an offense-only winger when his play really doesn't support that position. During his time in Raleigh his rep as a two-way player has probably been hamstrung by the fact that his centerman has been so disinterested in playing a two-way game. Cough, cough ... you know who I mean.

B. Boychuk has played on both wings at both the AHL and NHL levels. The way the modern systems work it's a lot more fluid anyway. No big deal playing him on his off wing so long as he's willing to bust his butt out there and pay closer attention to ALL of his assignments ... not just the ones that lead to scoring chances.

C. Show me the NHL team with four balanced lines and I'll show you a true Cup contender. Seriously ... look at some lines around the league. Pretty much every team has one line that's a dog and pony show. Some have two. Having an unsettled third line is probably a positive, as it opens up some room for one or more of the kids to make a splash and earn some actual playing time somewhere other than the grunt line.
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When we traded for Semin this was the knock on him, his playing being enigmatic and his defensive game. Some were quick to point out that his +/- numbers actually rank way up their among active forwards. I found he plays a good defense game. Good to create turnovers.
 
JamesNorthern said:
When we traded for Semin this was the knock on him, his playing being enigmatic and his defensive game. Some were quick to point out that his +/- numbers actually rank way up their among active forwards. I found he plays a good defense game. Good to create turnovers.
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As we architects are an anal lot, I think I have to point out that Semin was a free agent pick up, no?
 
Loved this tweet from Chip from practice this morning...

Peters is a hockey guy. Muller always seemed like a former NHL star who turned to coaching to stay in the game. Peters is just a hockey man.
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Like the idea of starting Skinner and Lindholm on E Staal's line, but especially like letting Semin and Tlusty play on J Staal's line.
 
Staal the captain not playing tomorrow, Nash taking his place. Couldn't find the reason. Knee?
 
So we're going to run last year's third line (Skinner / Nash / Lindholm) as our first line, and this year's fourth line (Malone / McClement / Dwyer) as our second line, and a bunch of AHL'ers and prospects as our third and fourth lines.

Interesting, but I'm still resentful of being asked to pay full-price for exhibition games of such little magnitude. The old days of half-pricing those events seems about right, at best.
 
Elsker said:
Interesting, but I'm still resentful of being asked to pay full-price for exhibition games of such little magnitude. The old days of half-pricing those events seems about right, at best.
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I have no idea how they can justify more than about $10 per ticket for these games. I wouldn't pay the parking fees, but that's just me!

Noticed concerts at PNC are now charging $20 per car to park!
 
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