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What Will Tim L Do?

From what i have seen and heard TL is more hands on with the teams than his predecessor peddie because his job is the teams and not building real estate. I don't think it is from an interference point of view but more to keep the lines of communication open because the inner workings of these teams is his business. So him being the man from the Front Office to make his way down and talk with the players doesn't surprise me.

The one thing i have seen is that when TL gets involved and see things he doesn't like it is a very bad sign for all involved. He likely doesn't think that Carlyle has the attention of the room at this point, ill see if i can ask some questions next time i see the MLSE guys i know.
 
Not sure how much to read into the Leiweke comment by Loiselle. As soon as he said it, he wished he took it back.

If we continue this losing streak, i slice and dice this organization top to bottom.

New President of Hockey Operations, new General Manager + Staff, new Head Coach + staff, new training and scouting staff.

Getting Gretzky as mentioned before should be an avenue we explore. Build on the brand that we have. We are the Toronto Maple Leafs afterall, not the Florida Panthers. We should be getting the best of the best in all regards. We make the most money, spend it, and spend it wisely.

As for General Managers go, im not sure who we would bring in and who would mesh well with Wayne Gretzky and Tim Leiweke.
 
Volcanologist said:
I don't understand what you mean. shouldn't it be Nonis representing management if its decided a lockerroom visit is required? Maybe I'm offbase but it looks weird to me. If you're batshit crazy Melnyk or something then yeah, okay, but that's not the case here.
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I see what you're saying now. Yeah, it might say something about what he thinks concerning Nonis, or maybe he's just a really hands on guy and doesn't want to hear from the players through a filter (Nonis). Tough to say. Bigger indictment of the coach though imo. A lot of coaches have lost their jobs after end of season meetings with the players.

Here's hoping this is another one.
 
Leafin' said:
Not sure how much to read into the Leiweke comment by Loiselle. As soon as he said it, he wished he took it back.

If we continue this losing streak, i slice and dice this organization top to bottom.

New President of Hockey Operations, new General Manager + Staff, new Head Coach + staff, new training and scouting staff.

Getting Gretzky as mentioned before should be an avenue we explore. Build on the brand that we have. We are the Toronto Maple Leafs afterall, not the Florida Panthers. We should be getting the best of the best in all regards. We make the most money, spend it, and spend it wisely.

As for General Managers go, im not sure who we would bring in and who would mesh well with Wayne Gretzky and Tim Leiweke.
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Getting rid of the scouting staff is a "full moron" proposition. We have guys like Dave Morrisonn and Thommie Bergmann that we're lucky to have. They'd be unemployed for maybe five minutes.
 
IrishWolfman said:
Getting rid of the scouting staff is a "full moron" proposition. We have guys like Dave Morrisonn and Thommie Bergmann that we're lucky to have. They'd be unemployed for maybe five minutes.
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They need a new mandate though. Enough of this draft guys that are big and physical and don't have skill.
 
I'm not sure if personnel changes are enough if we can't get of the players hurting us as well.
A new coach, staff, etc, will not change the possible leadership issues.
 
purge the idiots. teams that have a (basically) zero tolerance policy for stupid players are usually the best teams. look at the success Pittsburgh has had surrounding their stars with crap. they love their systems guys (Talbot, dupuis, etc.). look at Detroit. look at new jersey.

Meanwhile, look at teams like Ottawa, Toronto and Philadelphia, who always seem to pack some legitimate talent but surround their stars with stupid players who make bad decisions...
 
Nah. Biggs, Gauthier, Ross, Ryan. Percy isn't big and tough, but he is a low skill/low ceiling guy. They have more often that emphasized drafted other things over skill in the 1st and 2nd round (outside of the top 10).

But look at the job the scouts have done in the later rounds when they are allowed to go for skill. McKegg, Leivo, D'Amigo, Johnson, Vergaghe, Brown. They are good. The mandate is bad though.

Their early draft strategy has been shit.
 
MindzEye said:
In fairness, they only did that once. It was an epic waste of a 1st rounder, but it's one that screams 'Burke's pick'
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Twice, if you count senile Cliff's tenure at the helm prior to joining Burke's management team.
 
leafman101 said:
Nah. Biggs, Gauthier, Ross, Ryan. Percy isn't big and tough, but he is a low skill/low ceiling guy. They have more often that emphasized drafted other things over skill in the 1st and 2nd round (outside of the top 10).
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Both Brad Ross & Gauthier were PPG players entering the draft. So it's not like they were drafting inept offensive players. There's nothing wrong with putting addition value on size, toughness, etc if the offensive chops appear to be there.

But look at the job the scouts have done in the later rounds when they are allowed to go for skill. McKegg, Leivo, D'Amigo, Johnson, Vergaghe, Brown.
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Leivo was .5ppg in his draft season, D'Amigo a 1.05ppg in the USHL (roughly translated to a .95ppg in the CHL), Verhaeghe a .6ish ppg in his draft season, Connor Brown a .8ish. How are they skill picks and the PPG Gauthier is a low skill pick?

Their early draft strategy has been shit though.
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I don't know man. That's the same draft strategy that valued Kadri & Rielly over a whole of player who fit the mold of what you're claiming their draft strategy to be.
 
Instead of ever getting a guy like Bergeron or Backes or Lucic past the first round, even once in a blue moon....we get servicable nonentities like Matt Stajan and Kulemin -- best case. Worst case a whole bunch of John Dohertys and Kenny Ryans and Phil Oreskovics in the first few rounds. We're just not getting nearly enough good NHL players from the draft.

It's the reason why here in Toronto we have to continually get most of our top talent from other teams, whether by trade or free agency. It isn't coming from within, at least in any consistently impactful way.

I think it's laughable to say it's "full moron" to change the scouts given our results. I do like Bergmann, but I don't see what is so great about the rest of them when you look at our drafting record.
 
Before shitting on the Leafs drafting record, I'd like to see a comparison of our draft picks (NHL games played/round or something of that ilk) vs the rest of the league...
 
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